REDUCTION OF RESULTS-NEGATIVE RESTORATION-CANCELED BENEFITS-SOS !!!

[nikakhs]

Good evening everyone, I decided to write here to inform everyone who gambles or intends to sign up with a betting company which is proving to be extremely dangerous for its credibility. I'm referring to bwin. I will tell you in detail what they have done to me for the past 2 days that I play in their live in order for you to be careful not to press it like me. I start with the biggest mistake I quote you my bet: 5/11/2011 10:01 am Single bet
Italy - China (in Japan) (Which team will win the 10th point in the 5th set Italy 291.00 1.50 -- while I get the bet normally since I watch the fight from the live stream video, it pays me normally and after 2 days it takes the winnings from my account and shows it as lost... of course I will inform you that there is no site, no site that shows how the points are progressing live, so there is no official source beyond the video of the specific match. certainly all the other bookmakers arranged it correctly, such as bet365:Results ---- Italy Women to win the point 10 in the 5th set --- after a relevant research I discovered that the match was shown on 2 channels sky italia kai to cctv, I sent an email to sky italia to send me the video of the match if be and they answered me negatively as it is natural since they can not distribute their material, therefore I conclude that in such cases where there are no official sources NO ONE WILL BET, BECAUSE WE GIVE THEM EASY AND OPPORTUNITY. this resulted today when I made a deposit to have my deposit money deducted from my account and to enter a negative balance of 411 euros !!!! what a strange e ??
let's go to the other topic ... during these days for about 5 days all my bets were accidentally canceled !! which all 5 were won !!! how strange eh? and the 5 won ?? I quote each one in detail: 5) 1/1/11 2011:12 pm Single bet
Jan-Leonard Struff (GER) - Jan Hernich (CZE) (Exact Score (Set 1, Game 8)) Player 1 to win by 15 Void 35.00 1.40 35.00 --- what more normal to play to get paid when I play odds 1.40 and it's invalid for me ????
2) / 11/2011 12:53 pm Single bet
Mireille van Daal (SUR) - Claudia Vogelgsang (GER) (Which player will score the 30th point in the 1st set Claudia Vogelgsang (GER) CANCELED 40.00 1.88 40.00 ---- another time here, while the specific bet closes one point before they reach 40 points, it was canceled just like that for no reason..
3) 2/11/2011 9:23 pm Single bet
Alejandro Fala (COL) - Gianluca Naso (ITA) (The 3rd game of the 2nd set will be tied (40:40) No VOID 260.00 1.75 260.00 --- this is where the festivities begin, but the amounts are bigger..
4) 4/11/2011 5:57 am Single bet
Khomiakova / Vozakova (RUS) - Bansley / Malone (CAN) (Which team will win the 40th point in the 2nd set Bansley/Maloney (CAN) VOID 150.00 1.72 150.00 --- and here the same ---
5) here watch out for the ridiculous, I play 2 bets with a deviation of about 1 minute, one is canceled after winning, while the other, which I lose, is normally settled as a loser !!!!!
Single bet
5/11/2011 9:20 PM Alejandro Fala (COL) - Paul Capdevil (CHI) (Who will win the 3rd game in the 2nd set Alejandro Fala (COL) VOID 190.00 2.60 190.00

5/11/2011 9:19 PM Single bet
Alejandro Falla (COL) - Paul Capdeville (CHI) (Who will win the first 10 points in the 2nd set Paul Capdeville (CHI) Fala 200.00 1.80 -- of course this is the losing bet which was not cancelled!

those who play live bets in this company from now on your eyes fourteen, never play bets that there is no official source to support them, see what happens .. personally I will now turn to another company after I first do the necessary actions to I move to the EGBA arbitration committee, but again the hopes for justification are minimal because according to the terms of this company it allows them to do what it literally wants with the excuse that our bets are canceled due to technical problems during the transfer !! also to emphasize several times when a player discovers a mistake they have made and notifies them, they can correct it after a while but they do it manually something which means that it is not corrected to all but only to the specific users who send emails !!
have fun...

 

[JohniosBet]

Re: RESULTS REDUCTION-NEGATIVE RESTORATION-CANCELED BENEFITS-SOS !!

First of all, thank you for your post. I hope it encourages many to do it from this company.
Secondly, well done for looking for it yourself and you have come a long way, and you did not just come here to ask what you will do.

My comment about bwin: I have re-read posts that said about wrongly settled bets but I knew that if you told them they would correct it which of course is unacceptable but we say ... But I do not know that they do such extreme things.
Also, this company takes 10+ days to send money from a withdrawal when it has four digits and that alone says a lot.

If you want to make a complaint to sbr, maybe they will help you a bit (Sportsbook Complaint Form)

From me good luck and good strength because you will need it. If you can keep us informed of how the issue is progressing.

 

[patrickdrd]

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Also, this company takes 10+ days to send money from a withdrawal when it has four digits and that alone says a lot.

what did he say?

and I'm waiting for a 4-digit withdrawal from gamebookers and when I saw that they make the payments through a pay-pro bwin something:

Pay-Pro is a cashier service provided by companies within the bwin.party digital entertainment group responsible for the payment processing of transactions related to bwin.party's real money products and services.

my men came back

here is the mail they replied to me:

Thank you for contacting the Payments Team.



Our records show that the following payments have been successfully processed and should be posted on your account statement after the date processed with billing descriptor ** PKRSER.COM **.




It usually takes 3-5 business days for payment to be posted in your statement but sometimes it may take longer due to bank delays.



If funds are still not posted after 10 business days please contact your bank's specialized Payments or Credit Card team to investigate further as funds may be held in a suspense account.



If your bank is not able to trace the payment, please let us know the appropriate date / time to call you and initiate a 3 way conference call with your bank to assist you further.



We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused.

I understand, the suitcase will go away, because a week has already passed,
but if it reaches 10 days it means that they are not going to see me again,
even if I have blocked myself in all the rest,
these are with the companies, you "can not" win, it is "forbidden", law, because if you win and you want to raise a 4-digit amount, you have to go through the ... "cross of martyrdom", unfortunately, that's why I shout it , as reliable as opap anywhere

 

[tullamore]

Re: RESULTS REDUCTION-NEGATIVE RESTORATION-CANCELED BENEFITS-SOS !!

It is not just this company. BET365 has the same tactic in "obvious theft" of its customers. As far as manual correction is concerned, it is true that you invoke it so that those who accept it can steal it without reaction.
The least you can do is ask for the bets you placed to be considered INVALID. You should threaten the EGBA or any other player's refereeing committee that the company is working with. You will be threatened with defamation in betting forums such as Covers.com and Sbrforum.com.
There you will make a post and you will see that you will attract the interest of many people. I mentioned these 2 because I use them personally and I have done the same.

A friend of mine, to understand, had all the prerequisites on his side. We found a lot of INDEPENDENT, but also the OFFICIAL site of the league, of that league, which confirmed our claim. In this case the result (according to the rules of BET365) counts what most independent sources have. The issue had to do with a corner that never seemed to be executed, as the director showed the replay and the company considered it a "side out", while with this corner my friend won the bet.
The company claimed to have a trader in the match, but after pressure as we were looking for it for over a day with emails to the teams involved and in forums, it suggested to my friend that the bet be CANCELED or nothing ... and in fact decide within ONE time!!

The amount was 3500 if I remember correctly and the young man decided to bend, rather than go through EGBA, which if he went he would be 100% justified, but it would take a few months.
I would have pulled it in its place, but that was his choice.

Companies are obviously looking for profit and deceiving the customer in any way. Bwin is completely insolvent !! BET365 is considered one of the good ones and it is, but that's what happened.

I hope you pursue the issue and if you want send me an email, let's see if I can help. Good luck

 

[Lilis]

Re: RESULTS REDUCTION-NEGATIVE RESTORATION-CANCELED BENEFITS-SOS !!

IF YOU CAN

Search in their Federations

may have variation of the score on the websites.

In need write them, to send the race card

say you are a lawyer etc etc

and you want to substantiate allegations of fraud

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But you must also be very "lucky"

all bets are pure roulette with 99 numbers

 

[nikakhs]

Re: RESULTS REDUCTION-NEGATIVE RESTORATION-CANCELED BENEFITS-SOS !!

guys listen to me carefully .. there is no way but no way to be justified in such issues and this is because from the moment there are conditions that say that the company has the right to cancel bets for any transport error and poppies, there is no way to be right in any EGBA, I gave you 5 examples of cancellations in bets within 5 days and I did not see any problems ... not being corrected for the bet they made a mistake does not tell me exactly .. the point is for all of you to understand and especially you guys who have this forum here (which as I see it has a large attendance) that everyone should start looking for all kinds of bets that you play in sports other than football.
As for the withdrawals that you say are delayed when the amount is large and it is good that they do it for security reasons and they tell us to make three-digit numbers in withdrawals to make them faster, but well what difference does it make if I make a withdrawal of 1500e from do I do 3 splits of 500 ????? we do not eat hay, gentlemen, everything happens because they take advantage of the fact that if they delay, we will ask them to cancel the withdrawal in order to bet again ... this is obvious ...
lilys for what you told me to do, sending emails to federations believe me I would do it if I wanted to continue playing in this company, but from the moment I find that on a permanent basis and systematically cancel bets won and distort results e then no my friends are not going to do them the favor..far far far away ...
dude tulamor to send an email where did you find dude ?? in the svr? for what reason? to say what? that they stole me? to help me? but this is not my purpose my friend ... I am writing here so that no one else like me can step on it .. even if one is the one who will understand the system with which they operate in order to irritate him with their continuous mistakes world this will be a profit for me ..
I sincerely challenge those who read this topic to answer if they have had a similar problem with this company. I am curious to see in the 100 appearances of the subject how many will be the ones who were wronged and in what way.
ΥΥ1-- THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS
ΥΥ2-- DESPITE MY ANGER AND ANGRY, WE CAN KEEP A LEVEL IN THE DISCUSSION WITHOUT DEVIATING

 

[FRAN ZENN]

Re: RESULTS REDUCTION-NEGATIVE RESTORATION-CANCELED BENEFITS-SOS !!

Maybe it would help if someone took a screenshot of the score or the achievement of the event the moment they achieve it from the live of each company. I think that even in the corners there is a notice. They may not back down or accept the objection more quickly.

 

[nikakhs]

Re: RESULTS REDUCTION-NEGATIVE RESTORATION-CANCELED BENEFITS-SOS !!

Maybe it would help if someone took a screenshot of the score or the achievement of the event the moment they achieve it from the live of each company. I think that even in the corners there is a notice. They may not back down or accept the objection more quickly.

but here there is no question of taking screenshots to certify what I mention, because my bet was settled correctly, they credited my winnings and after 2 days they deducted them and put a negative balance on me.
however, as soon as I finish the work I will upload a photo with the alteration of the result and with the continuous invalid bets that were all won ...

 

[FRAN ZENN]

Re: RESULTS REDUCTION-NEGATIVE RESTORATION-CANCELED BENEFITS-SOS !!

but here there is no question of taking screenshots to certify what I mention, because my bet was settled correctly, they credited my winnings and after 2 days they deducted them and put a negative balance on me.
however, as soon as I finish the work I will upload a photo with the alteration of the result and with the continuous invalid bets that were all won ...

I do not question you. I say this for all children who play strange bets e.g. corners or 40-40 in tennis games that are difficult to certify their result when the match is over while with a screenshot from the scoreboard at the time of the match there is proof to the company that will try to cancel it later ....

 

[nikakhs]

Re: RESULTS REDUCTION-NEGATIVE RESTORATION-CANCELED BENEFITS-SOS !!

I am uploading a photo to avoid misunderstandings about everything I have written, I also want to reply to a friend (who told me that bwin does not need to do such things), that if he did not need to he would not even set betting limits I was just humiliated someone made some withdrawals, nor would he delay the withdrawals, nor would he make the same mistakes and distortions of results repeatedly, nor would he make repeated cancellations.
live is a way of playing where it is based on fractions of a second in quick decisions, from the moment it accepts as a company a bet has to settle it. perfection and hyphen. to have a problem once, instead of two, instead of three, when the problem is continuous, then something smells and even worse ...

INVALID BET View attachment 3710

NEGATIVE BALANCE WRONG AND DEDUCTION OF MONEY FROM THE ACCOUNT View attachment 3709

HERE THE ALTERNATIVE RESULT OF THE ITALY-CHINA MATCH View attachment 3711 ¨

 

[nikakhs]

Re: RESULTS REDUCTION-NEGATIVE RESTORATION-CANCELED BENEFITS-SOS !!

I'm back as today after 4 days I received a reply to the 3 protest emails I sent for the mistake they made..I quote the answer: After contacting the competent bookmaker, we would like to inform you that the result of the bet with coupon code 1S5SX1YMJW which has been challenged, has been correctly assessed by us and therefore your bet has been correctly confirmed as lost.

If you know of an official source who can prove otherwise, then we would be happy to consider your request again.

Also, after contacting the competent section of bookmakers, we were informed that the specific bet with me was initially incorrectly informed. By correcting this error, your bet was considered lost and the winnings were returned to the company.

----- as you all understand, the bookmaker did not even bother to watch the video of the match and asks the customer to provide him with an official source, at the moment there is no site that covers play by play the match score. of course I have informed them which channels they broadcast and they have the video of the match which they can with the links they have to see it and correct the bets.

if we can not be paid nor what we win, then why play >>> / ?? in order to pay for a winning bet, do we have to become researchers as well?

 

[balkanios]

Re: RESULTS REDUCTION-NEGATIVE RESTORATION-CANCELED BENEFITS-SOS !!

my shit shit

 

[balkanios]

Re: RESULTS REDUCTION-NEGATIVE RESTORATION-CANCELED BENEFITS-SOS !!

The point in my opinion is how best to avoid bets that are difficult as very difficult-impossible when you need to prove that you are not an elephant. And especially in companies that have a "history" of betting cancellations, no matter how big the names are ...
Of course you did well and wrote the topic for the knowledge of all players ...

 

[nikakhs]

Re: RESULTS REDUCTION-NEGATIVE RESTORATION-CANCELED BENEFITS-SOS !!

Yes, my friend, you are absolutely right and I regret now that some guys told me to report it to other foreign forums and I have not done so so far. I ask the manager or an admin from here if he reads the subject to contact me if he can to explain to me what is preferable to do in such cases.

 

[balkanios]

Re: RESULTS REDUCTION-NEGATIVE RESTORATION-CANCELED BENEFITS-SOS !!

Yes, my friend, you are absolutely right and I regret now that some guys told me to report it to other foreign forums and I have not done so so far. I ask the manager or an admin from here if he reads the subject to contact me if he can to explain to me what is preferable to do in such cases.

I'm not admin, but I can tell you what I'm doing either to avoid getting involved, or if I'm getting involved to fight it - for friends who are now betting to see.
a. we watch betting sites that have forums and especially topics related to books. So you form an opinion about companies from other players' experiences and choose a reliable one (I'm not saying that all the complaints that players make from time to time stand, but if you see some company names over and over again then smoke without fire is not possible). For what you did by publishing your issue may not give you your money back, but it will protect other players and on the other hand you have at least the moral satisfaction that the company that made it to you will lose much more than what it is going to save from lost customers (old and prospective) and that will sting her and make her think a lot more next time. ΚYou can also, after seeing that you do not get away with the good, when you are right, use the forums as a means of pressure in the conversation with them. It stings them even if they pretend not to chew-especially when you are right and it is clear that they have done the soft @@@.

b. And to choose the "right" company at some point you will get involved somewhere. So we play self-evident bets (final result-total goals and generally any bets shown by the final score).

c. First you speak calmly and ask for explanations and you are right. If you see that the answers do not cover you: either because they have you in writing, or invoking a general rule about their right to cancel any bet at their discretion (something that all companies have), you have to turn it around: you have keep all the details of the bet-email or chat communication, you pick up the phone and ask to talk to someone in charge. Serious companies get their boss on the phone (well-publicized only - it does not imply compulsion and serious). You talk to him calmly saying that you are a customer of the company because you consider it a serious company and you tell him the problem and your point of view in detail, asking him to inform you responsibly (I tell him because they hear a lot of crazy-every day). If you still do not find an edge - then nicely and simply tell him that their answers are unacceptable as well as the behavior of the company towards the player and just inform him you will report the matter to all dispute resolution authorities between companies and players (see from the site with which authority they cooperate, but also in the others that exist and receive complaints from players - they contact the company asking for its opinion on the complaint and accordingly rate the credibility of each company - issue that interests them) and how you will also publish it in all the betting forums you participate in Greek and foreign. That is why it is essential that you have saved and collected both the details of the bet and the communication you had with the company but the answers they gave you.

d. If they write to you again you have no luck - so make your complaints by sending the information they will ask you and write your topic where you can, with whatever information you have. But when we say everything, we mean in all forums.

If we all do these basics, clearly we can protect ourselves from "arbitrariness" to put it elegantly some companies or avoiding them , or forcing them if they want but have customers to change. Of course, experience shows that the former is probably more correct.

 

[nikakhs]

Re: RESULTS REDUCTION-NEGATIVE RESTORATION-CANCELED BENEFITS-SOS !!

thanks for the tips, just reading at bwin I saw that it works with EGBA and the whole process of sending emails etc that are mentioned in detail on their site is time consuming, so I choose to sacrifice the profit they deprive me and make reports on everything the betting forums on the subject of distortions in the results where there are no official sources to prove their mistake. That's why I asked for help in this matter to gather a mix of betting forums where it will hurt them when I make my report.
do you mean that I will make a separate report on the cancellations of bets that they make only when the bets are won ...

 

[mast]

Re: RESULTS REDUCTION-NEGATIVE RESTORATION-CANCELED BENEFITS-SOS !!

Sit and gamble your money on companies that have made thousands - hundreds of complaints in major foreign forums (sbr) about the scams they do, I hope you are right, but if you continue to bet on companies like bwin then your head hurts.
I do not play it expert (because I clicked on it and go with the specific company and if I upload the invalid bets it will catch the whole page), but since I clicked on it and paid dearly I try to inform other guys about the ways and techniques that deceive the world ..
One last thing .. please let one of the site administrators tell me if it is correct after so many complaints that have been made about this company and the scams (inside quotes) that makes it appear on a site like yours that aims to informs and helps the world. My question is asked in a friendly way, I just want to know the way you think.

 

[Yannisss]

Re: RESULTS REDUCTION-NEGATIVE RESTORATION-CANCELED BENEFITS-SOS !!

bet and win only exists if one wants to play any strange tournaments and for no other reason

 

[zorian]

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I ask one of the site administrators to tell me if it is correct after so many complaints that have been made about the specific company and the scams (inside quotes) that makes it appear on a site like yours that aims to inform and help the world. My question is asked in a friendly way, I just want to know the way you think.

here she has the face of a Kojam Real card, is it our fault now?
I think that in most betting sites in Greece (and not only) Bwin has ads, so I do not think it is up to each manager to check whether a company is reliable in its payments or not. Of course, all members of the forum are also responsible for monitoring their accounts and reporting such issues. Beyond that, betting sites need ads so I do not think it matters

 

[mast]

Re: RESULTS REDUCTION-NEGATIVE RESTORATION-CANCELED BENEFITS-SOS !!

here she has the face of a Kojam Real card, is it our fault now?
I think that in most betting sites in Greece (and not only) Bwin has ads, so I do not think it is up to each manager to check whether a company is reliable in its payments or not. Of course, all members of the forum are also responsible for monitoring their accounts and reporting such issues. Beyond that, betting sites need ads so I do not think it matters

I think you are making a mistake here, the real has nothing to do with our issue, nor did I say that you are to blame. there are massive complaints of customer fraud which is very serious, I think in particular the manager should check what is to be born with this particular company. will you continue to advertise it ??

Be careful not to misunderstand, I did not blame you for anything, just because the forum has a lot of traffic and many new ones will come in, it will be unfair even though most of the company in question is known to suggest it for registration to new customers. This is my opinion. I wish I was wrong, I just believe that the forum serves the needs of users and not companies.