Sports betting, the crash test of the two political systems

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Sports betting is the test of the two political systems, communism and capitalism, and roams both of them in disrepute.
How and why?
I'll start by explaining first what betting is.
Betting is - on its basis - a gentlemen's agreement between us.
Let's get together, let's assume the 30-40 members of the forum are fans and we say the following. Gentlemen, we will play our money in predicting football-horse racing results and whoever wins-wins, but there is also the fear of losing someone.
Everyone agrees with this proposition, either consciously or subconsciously. The smartest to win others to lose. It is exactly the same reasoning with which we participated in the "Mathematical Olympiad" of the Hellenic Mathematical Society, as students of the sixth high school. It's nothing more.
So if we 30-40 had formed a fairly dynamic bird, and not beetles as it actually is, we would be playing with each other and life would go on.
What would happen if a big winner came out? Would the others be jealous? Of course not. They would congratulate him (because that's the way it is in real life). If the big winner had won because he learned a set result? Again, they would congratulate him, because industrial espionage is also in the game and because it is done in real life betting. Only in the extreme case he Personally, he had set up the fight to get our money, of course he would withdraw the menin.

We can't do that, because even if we managed to get along with each other, the law wouldn't allow it. Betting is only allowed on specific providers, government or book, as is well known.
However, the basis of the case does not change: It is the informal agreement between us.

Who are they now? against of bettors?
On the one hand is the bible belt-Ayatollah Khomeini belt. They believe - say their biblical impulses - that man must live in the fields with the four-leaf clover and the fish. Everything else is sin.
On the other hand, there is international communism. And they believe that man should live in the kolkhoz-komosomol and live under the threat of a fluff with a plate of beans.
So these two of us are falling for her.

But it's not just the two, it's also capitalist a state that pays taxes to the glory of the homeland and of course we cannot see God's face. And the capitalist The state not only does this but also allows private individuals to steal from us ruthlessly (instead of protecting us).
Yesterday I entered bet365 that played Union Berlin - Bayern Munich. And he had a performance for two goals and more at half time 2.15, in the 35th minute (!) And while the score was 0-0 (!!). I had made the mistake and I thought it was the 5th minute but I got it back after the bet, but this thing is vulgarly Argeios!

So it turns out that and the two systems are in fact brutally violating all basic human rights.
We have no way out.
If we curse one, the others will tell us "welcome talvaric to the kolkhozes - take a rake and dig".
If we curse the other, the others will give us a "We believe" by Georgios Papadopoulou and they will tell us "here, gentlemen, read to be educated"!
This is the trick de facto.

What would be the ideal system?
So the ideal system would be one socialist democracy in which the bet would be under the supervision of the state. There would be a state "betting" service, which would be responsible for issuing both coupons and so on, and that's it.
At the same time, the people - the winners - would be paid normally and go to work.

Now with the joker we didn't see that, did we?
Does anyone dare to tell us either "pay" or "drugs only for the Greeks" I know?
No, of course he doesn't dare because here is a virus in the middle and anyone who tried to explain it like that would eat wood.
So "society of justice for all" is not utopia.
But we have eaten the pope and we tolerate them and not them.

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Human nature is such that when it smells of power and takes it, it will press on everyone else's throat. Either he is called a party secretary or he is called a party president, or he is called a managing director.
The bad thing is that the more they stay in power, the harder it is to uproot them, making it difficult for others to thrive and have a healthy competition, which will offer better services, whatever they may be.
Even if what you say happened, at some point there would be dirt on the part of the state itself because, as is well known, the state itself is made up of people, so its basis is rubbish ...
I will not forget many years ago, when I bet on a match, UEFA, if I remember correctly. The strong United played in an infamous Hungarian team. 1-0 result for the Hungarians, with an odds of 7.00, I think, and an epic bucket. In the replay of course an easy 7-0.
I sat down to watch phases from the first match, 1-0 ... The first thing that caught my eye was the ad on the United shirt, which was a bet. There I stopped to see ...
What do I mean? That everyone is trying to get you (our) to eat the money. So do not seek justice in a system based on money and profit.
When the scientist is found who will uproot greed from our dna, yes then I will hope. But even he, in no ditch will they find him for sure, before he catches up ...
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Human nature is such that when it smells of power and takes it, it will press on everyone else's throat. Either he is called a party secretary or he is called a party president, or he is called a managing director.
The bad thing is that the more they stay in power, the harder it is to uproot them, making it difficult for others to thrive and have a healthy competition, which will offer better services, whatever they may be.
Even if what you say happened, at some point there would be dirt on the part of the state itself because, as is well known, the state itself is made up of people, so its basis is rubbish ...
I will not forget many years ago, when I bet on a match, UEFA, if I remember correctly. The strong United played in an infamous Hungarian team. 1-0 result for the Hungarians, with an odds of 7.00, I think, and an epic bucket. In the replay of course an easy 7-0.
I sat down to watch phases from the first match, 1-0 ... The first thing that caught my eye was the ad on the United shirt, which was a bet. There I stopped to see ...
What do I mean? That everyone is trying to get you (our) to eat the money. So do not seek justice in a system based on money and profit.
When the scientist is found who will uproot greed from our dna, yes then I will hope. But even he, in no ditch will they find him for sure, before he catches up ...
And Arsenal this year, before Olympiacos, had a good relationship, he says, with a Lithuanian-Ukrainian and gave them the first game, but then they qualified easily.
But I do not understand how they will steal from us later if a) the national betting service is established and b) if a 4% rake is established for all markets.
There will be some who will steal furniture / laptops from public buildings and take them to their holiday home, but these are sins.

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I do not disagree with what you say. That the phenomena of ridiculous excuses will disappear from the companies, so that they do not pay the players or go through forty waves to get the money, and send an ID, send an ID again, etc.
But that's one part of stealing. The other part is the set up. What makes you think that these government agencies will not approach groups and managers and set up bunches, with the unpaid of course?
Am I not talking about groups between them, am I talking about the state itself, in order to eat the money of the world, when a lot of money has fallen on one point?
If there is anything fairer, it is the exchange. But why don't they allow exchanges in Greece?
There, in fact, the state would get its basic start-up, according to taxation, instead of taking 1% because it is the organizer. But he would only get them from the winners and not from all over the world.

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We allow everything. Nothing would happen if we as a whole had a different mentality. We are trying to find a job, we are oiling for a diploma, we are building arbitrarily and I am setting up an arrangement, we are cleaning, we are protesting for 5G, but we will all use it, etc.
Everything happens because there is a fertile ground created by ourselves
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I do not disagree with what you say. That the phenomena of ridiculous excuses will disappear from the companies, so that they do not pay the players or go through forty waves to get the money, and send an ID, send an ID again, etc.
But that's one part of stealing. The other part is the set up. What makes you think that these government agencies will not approach groups and managers and set up bunches, with the unpaid of course?
Am I not talking about groups between them, am I talking about the state itself, in order to eat the money of the world, when a lot of money has fallen on one point?
If there is anything fairer, it is the exchange. But why don't they allow exchanges in Greece?
There, in fact, the state would get its basic start-up, according to taxation, instead of taking 1% because it is the organizer. But he would only get them from the winners and not from all over the world.
The exchange works about as much as I remember, since each bet had its limit.
So the company has no reason to set up a game.
Our problem is that we do not have a trade union. That creates everything.
If we had what would they do to us?
My dad was my teacher. In 63, when the big strike took place, I was told that the schools were closed
25 days. They were paid fifteen cents and I remember at that time an Arab from the Emirates had visited us and the Arab was listening and he was saying "tinaftareeee ... we are paying them the gold for the middle school teachers". In 25 days, however, the strike stopped because it was considered illegal and abusive. Whoever did not return his salary was cut and so everyone returned. Eventually, of course, the situation improved the following year because Papandreou became prime minister and gave 80% increases.
Here now, who would take us out as "illegal and abusive" but also how would they identify us one by one, even to tell us "illegal and abusive"? So we are big suckers.

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The exchange works about as much as I remember, since each bet had its limit.
So the company has no reason to set up a game.
Our problem is that we do not have a trade union. That creates everything.
Trade union; It's like asking the people of Prezaki to form a union to check the price and the cleanliness of the table.
I've said it before, but it probably can't be done. All we can do is change companies. Gambling cannot be stopped. And obviously, since all companies follow the same practices, it's a sign that they don't count on us. In essence, all players circle companies.

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Trade union; It's like asking the people of Prezaki to form a union to check the price and the cleanliness of the table.
I've said it before, but it probably can't be done. All we can do is change companies. Gambling cannot be stopped. And obviously, since all companies follow the same practices, it's a sign that they don't count on us. In essence, all players circle companies.
Not because everything is regulated by the state.
On the other hand, I did not say to cut. There is also the method of making 100 euros for 10.
On the other hand, I don't see many pranksters. Muses kill agencies even before the mockery.

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Not because everything is regulated by the state.
On the other hand, I did not say to cut. There is also the method of making 100 euros for 10.
On the other hand, I don't see many pranksters. Muses kill agencies even before the mockery.
Believe me, the state has never seen the consumer as the one who helps society grow. Instead, it respects the companies that are taxed and they are supposed to help society. Sometimes, with "donations".
And you know why; Because they take us for granted. He tells you, they will consume, they will eat, they will drink, they will break the bouzouki, they will gamble. Anyway.
And that's why companies don't touch. In order to do what you say, there should be a general boycott.
We don't eat meat this week. End.
Next week we don't eat bread from the oven.
The next day we don't drink soft drinks.
The next day we don't play gambling.
Can we do it? For a month it arrives. But we can't.

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Believe me, the state has never seen the consumer as the one who helps society grow. Instead, it respects the companies that are taxed and they are supposed to help society. Sometimes, with "donations".
And you know why; Because they take us for granted. He tells you, they will consume, they will eat, they will drink, they will break the bouzouki, they will gamble. Anyway.
And that's why companies don't touch. In order to do what you say, there should be a general boycott.
We don't eat meat this week. End.
Next week we don't eat bread from the oven.
The next day we don't drink soft drinks.
The next day we don't play gambling.
Can we do it? For a month it arrives. But we can't.
These are well known.
Both forms of state (left - right).
In other countries they are 80% valid, here 100%.
I don't know if you can abstain, but everyone can play 100 where they played 30 - and they do it because of the general hassle (because everything that happens raises the hassle - otherwise we wouldn't even discuss it).

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