Why should a betting company get in the process of closing / expelling winning customers?

apophasic

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(in addition to legitimacy, for example, you work in the industry or play in set games, etc.)

Since you don't get the money you earn from them but from other players who bet on the opposite result
and most importantly, no matter how much you win, they will always turn pale in front of their super-profits, proof: open his page bet at the casino and enter the blackjack table with the big amounts and see the thousands that the bank earns the minute.
Yes it is another market but the only sure thing is that they will not run out of money
not that I think they take them from the gamblers and give them to the gamblers, something similar will happen here.

and the question is why does a company go through this process if it is not going to lose?

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Why do you think the company will not lose if it does not prosecute the winning customers?

Betting is not like poker, where the company makes money from rake or the cost of participating in tournaments and is not interested in who will win. That's where what you say applies, that is, that the winning player gets the money from the losers.


In betting, you get the money from the company and not from the losers.

apophasic

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For many reasons, for example, advertising, attracting new players, loss-gain ratio, etc.
but especially
If he drove out the winners, no one would play

The bet is between someone who believes that team A will win and someone who believes that team B will win.
The company just puts these 2 people in touch, for a fee.

Why do you think that in betting, you get the money from the company and not from the losers?
Do you think that there are no losers in a bet?
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The bet is between someone who believes that team A will win and someone who believes that team B will win.
The company just puts these 2 people in touch, for a fee.

Why do you think that in betting, you get the money from the company and not from the losers?
Do you think that there are no losers in a bet?

This is not exactly the case. Betting customers are divided (roughly) into two categories.

One category consists of those who play points that (as you said) BELIEVE that they will be verified. These customers will be lost for a long time, so they will normally pay the rake to the company and make a profit, filling its coffers.

The other category consists of those who KNOW that they have an advantage over the company (eg value betting, arbitrage or even set up games) and will long win and take away some of the company's profits that came from the rake they pay. the rest of the players.

So the company wants to maximize its profits and that is why it must ensure that all its customers pay the rake.

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let's stick to the point and not play with words



why do you think this advantage is over the company and not the other player, who loses his money?
Because you buy a performance from the company and not from the other player.

apophasic

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Because you buy a performance from the company and not from the other player.
so does the other player
and the money that will end up in the pocket of the winner will come from the pocket of the other player
not the owner of the company

giokal

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The winning player gets the money from the lost players, you do not compete with the company, but with players the companies win from the rake.
In most cases, the companies do not lose, but in those who will lose to the players who have literally dissolved the rake, there is a limit, especially if they see that this player does it repeatedly.

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In fact, you are not in conflict with either the company or the other players.
You cringe with the rake.

Tigers

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This is not exactly the case. Betting customers are divided (roughly) into two categories.

One category consists of those who play points that (as you said) BELIEVE that they will be verified. These customers will be lost for a long time, so they will normally pay the rake to the company and make a profit, filling its coffers.

The other category consists of those who KNOW that they have an advantage over the company (eg value betting, arbitrage or even set up games) and will long win and take away some of the company's profits that came from the rake they pay. the rest of the players.

So the company wants to maximize its profits and that is why it must ensure that all its customers pay the rake.
Sovara tora? Epeidi eimai kaluteros or autous stin aksiologisi ton apodoseon de plirono gkaniota? To gegonos pos tha eixa polu megalutera kerdi an epaiza me mikroteri gkaniota, (I asfalos mideniki) sou leei kati? Or ti stigmi pou i meiosi ton kerdon mou ofeiletai kathara sti gkaniota tous, asfalos k plirono gkaniota. Episis to na vazoun limit stous kerdismenous einai paranomo. Kai fusika de vazoum oria mono se osous paizoun me pleonektima, alla se olous osous kerdizoun. Opoiadipote etaireia thes fere mou yan autes pou exoun adeia stin ellada, an katatheso tora 1000 euro kai ta Kano 10.000 paizontas 0 (miden) value mesa se mia vdomada, i kai 1 mina, I Kai 1 xrono, tha mou valei amesos orio 5 euro max. Ara oraio to paramuthaki me ta value, k to pleonektima alla den exei drako. Min prepliroforeites ton kosmo. Peite epithelial tin alitheia. K an de gnorizete apla mi lete tipota.

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I personally know some who haven't eaten a limit playing 100-150 euros in big NBA CL PL championships live mainly and almost always with cash out. On the contrary, with a little money (profit and bet) I have eaten a limit in 8 companies and in some I have lost and in some I have won very little (200-300).
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Sovara tora? Epeidi eimai kaluteros or autous stin aksiologisi ton apodoseon de plirono gkaniota? To gegonos pos tha eixa polu megalutera kerdi an epaiza me mikroteri gkaniota, (I asfalos mideniki) sou leei kati? Or ti stigma pou i meiosi ton kerdon mou ofeiletai kathara sti gkaniota tous, asfalos k plirono gkaniota.
Don't play with words. The answer is clearly "NO", you do not pay rake. If at the opening of the market, a return is 1,9 (and 2 without rake) and at closing it has dropped to 1,65, you consider that you paid the rake because you did not Did you buy it at 2 but at 1,9? If you think you paid the rake, you'll probably think that betting is a charity created to make money, not to make the most profit.

Episis to na vazoun limit stous kerdismenous einai paranomo.
We are not talking about the legitimacy of the issue, but about the reasons why companies are chasing the winners.

Kai fusika de vazoum oria mono se osous paizoun me pleonektima, alla se olous osous kerdizoun. Opoiadipote etaireia thes fere mou yan autes pou exoun adeia stin ellada, an katatheso tora 1000 euro kai ta Kano 10.000 paizontas 0 value mesa se mia vdomada, i kai 1 mina, I Kai 1 xrono, tha mou valei amesos orio 5 euro max.
If you deposit 1000 euros, you can eat a limit before you play the first bet, not when you reach 10 thousand (because you will be considered a professional). But other than that, do you know many players who will win a large amount without advantage? But again, what you describe (limit 5 euros) will happen because almost all legal ones in Greece are convenience stores. A serious liquidity company, when it sees that you are winning without advantage, will leave you because you will lose what you won in the future.

Ara oraio to paramuthaki me ta value, k to pleonektima alla den exei drako. Min prepliroforeites ton kosmo. Peite epithelial tin alitheia.
What is the truth;

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I personally know some who haven't eaten a limit playing 100-150 euros in big NBA CL PL championships live mainly and almost always with cash out. On the contrary, with a little money (profit and bet) I have eaten a limit in 8 companies and in some I have lost and in some I have won very little (200-300).
When you play almost exclusively big tournaments and the winnings are not very big (in relation to the endurance of each company), the limits are slow to come. But at some point they will come.

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Don't play with words. The answer is clearly "NO", you do not pay rake. If at the opening of the market, a return is 1,9 (and 2 without rake) and at closing it has dropped to 1,65, you consider that you paid the rake because you did not Did you buy it at 2 but at 1,9? If you think you paid the rake, you'll probably think that betting is a charity created to make money, not to make the most profit.



We are not talking about the legitimacy of the issue, but about the reasons why companies are chasing the winners.



If you deposit 1000 euros, you can eat a limit before you play the first bet, not when you reach 10 thousand (because you will be considered a professional). But other than that, do you know many players who will win a large amount without advantage? But again, what you describe (limit 5 euros) will happen because almost all legal ones in Greece are convenience stores. A serious liquidity company, when it sees that you are winning without advantage, will leave you because you will lose what you won in the future.



What is the truth;
Se OLA les anakriveies. Arxizo or te telos .. Einai psilikatzidiko I bet365 me ti megaluteri reustotita ston kosmo? That peirakse to xiliariko pou tha katatheso? Ok k 100 euros na katatheso an ta kano 10.000 paizontas xoris to paramikro pleonektima pali limit tha fao or OLES. Ego auta pou leo ​​ta exo dei na mou sumvainoun, ta exo dei stin praksi. Esu les MONO theoreies. Nai epeidi den pira sto 2.00, to 1.90 k meionete to kerdos mou plirono gkaniota. Sou einai toso duskolo na to antiliftheis?

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Se OLA les anakriveies. Arxizo or te telos .. Einai psilikatzidiko I bet365 me ti megaluteri reustotita ston kosmo? That peirakse to xiliariko pou tha katatheso? Ok k 100 euros na katatheso an ta kano 10.000 paizontas xoris to paramikro pleonektima pali limit tha fao or OLES. Ego auta pou leo ​​ta exo dei na mou sumvainoun, ta exo dei stin praksi. Esu les MONO theoreies. Nai epeidi den pira sto 2.00, to 1.90 k meionete to kerdos mou plirono gkaniota. Sou einai toso duskolo na to antiliftheis?
You mentioned to me the only company in Greece that is not a convenience store and that will tolerate your game for a long time, even if you play consistently with an advantage.

As for the 100 that you made 10 thousand without advantage, do I have the right to challenge it or do you forbid it? Can I talk about fairy tales and dragons or is it your exclusive prerogative?

Let's stop here somewhere!

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Tigres is right, even if you only play and win, the limit will come. But watch out for Tigres, it's going to be too late and the company can't blame you for anything, it's just that you care about winning.

Tigers

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You mentioned to me the only company in Greece that is not a convenience store and that will tolerate your game for a long time, even if you play consistently with an advantage.

As for the 100 that you made 10 thousand without advantage, do I have the right to challenge it or do you forbid it? Can I talk about fairy tales and dragons or is it your exclusive prerogative?

Let's stop here somewhere!
Thes na sou steilo tora ta deltia? Epeidi de sou vgainei I paramutha pos k kla oria vazoun mono se osous paizoun me pleonektima tha me vgaleis k pseuti? Stis theoreies mporei na eisai kalos, alla stis prakseis thes douleitsa.

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Thes na sou steilo tora ta deltia? Epeidi de sou vgainei I paramutha pos k kla oria vazoun mono se osous paizoun me pleonektima tha me vgaleis k pseuti? Stis theoreies mporei na eisai kalos, alla stis prakseis thes douleitsa.
Find me because I wrote that they put limits ONLY on those who play with an advantage ...

Basically you have a tendency to get away from the topic of discussion, while also raising the tone. So to summarize, your companies are pushing the boundaries mainly because you are playing them with advantage. This is because many times the limits come after very small profits and a few points, which shows that they do not care how much you have gained in the present but how much you may gain in the future. This is the situation, whether we like it or not (we don't like it ...).

From then on, sometimes you will eat limits due to high profitability even if you did not play with an advantage. These cases are very few in relation to the others I mentioned and are related to the endurance and policy of the company.

I hope I made myself clear.

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Find me because I wrote that they put limits ONLY on those who play with an advantage ...

Basically you have a tendency to get away from the topic of discussion, while also raising the tone. So to summarize, your companies are pushing the boundaries mainly because you are playing them with advantage. This is because many times the limits come after very small profits and a few points, which shows that they do not care how much you have gained in the present but how much you may gain in the future. This is the situation, whether we like it or not (we don't like it ...).

From then on, sometimes you will eat limits due to high profitability even if you did not play with an advantage. These cases are very few in relation to the others I mentioned and are related to the endurance and policy of the company.

I hope I made myself clear.
Eisai lathos se ola. Oi periptoseis den einai katholou liges. Epeidi den etuxe hîn se esena, de simainei tipota. K asfalos esu den mporeis na gnorizeis kalutera yan emena se posous kerdismenous xoris na paizoun me pleonektima vazoun oria oi etaireies. Oi etaireies vazoun oria kurios epeidi kerdizeis. Auti einai i pragmatikotita. K i suzitisi teleiionei edo.

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