The Subjectivity of the Rake

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It is not possible to chew them all together because what is good for you, is not good for me .... what is good for me is not for the other etc etc ....

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Good wines !!!! The question is if it really is valium, not what everyone thinks. Let everyone gather and show their beliefs, you why do not you want it ,?
 
Fairplay

It is not possible to chew them all together because what is good for you, is not good for me .... what is good for me is not for the other etc etc ....

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Good wines !!!! The question is if it really is valium, not what everyone thinks. Let everyone gather and show their beliefs, you why do not you want it ,?
the value is SUBJECTIVE (for another it is the absences, for another it is the prehistory, for another it is the budget of each team, for another it is the weather, for another it is the current performance at the moment, for another it is that they play in a neutral seat , for something else that changed coach, etc). There is no definition (when we talk about betting) .... If you had seen about 4 years ago a friend who has worked in many betting companies did us the honor for 1 month to accept questions from all friends of infobeto and clearly states that value is subjective for everyone.
And if you want a definition I say it again
What is value and what is not, your pocket will tell you If I in September 2015 started with 500 euros and in September 2016 I have 15.000 thousand it means that I weigh correctly whether I lose or win.
 
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the value is SUBJECTIVE
What is value and what is not, your pocket will tell you If I in September 2015 started with 500 euros and in September 2016 I have 15.000 thousand it means that I weigh correctly whether I lose or win.
So the one who wins the joker is value, as his pocket says.
 
If you had seen about 4 years ago a friend who has worked in many betting companies made us the price for 1 month to receive questions from all the friends of infobeto and clearly states that value is subjective for everyone.
And if you want a definition I say it again

Who was he, I mean what role he played in the betting companies, and how we can find this thread.
 
Yes, of course there is no definition.
There are only measurements - or they can be.
If there was a standard betting formula it would be first and foremost used by bookies and it would not be called "sports betting", it would be called casino games.
 
The discussion is very long and I do not know if I will be on topic or not. Sorry in advance.

The probability of betting I think has a theoretical basis. And this is because, when a match takes place e.g. the match Chelsea - Wolves. it does not matter to the reader if I say that the set of odds is 55-25-20, because in the end it will only come A result. Whatever the match, there is no way I know I was right in the odds.

It is not (I mean) like rolling the dice as we know that the probability of rolling a "6" is 16.6%.
The outcome of a football match depends on a cart (literally) parameters and if someone says that the ace is for 55% or for 57% or for 62%, I can not say anything to support it or to refute it .

Many parameters before the match: Form, image inside, image outside, form inside form outside, delivery, absences, motivation are some parameters. Now we have mediocre seats from the empty stadiums of Koronovios, we also had the interruption of Koronovios, that is, it was currently looking for.
And many unpredictable factors at the time of the match, which are impossible to predict, determine the outcome

Does that mean the odds are slim?
No, but in order to approach them we have to make some assumptions.

First of all, the probability in the bet has the following meaning. What in the season we are called to play many times and not just once. If in a season I have bet 100 chances that I "see" 20%, then I would like (to say that I "see" correctly) at the end of the 100 to pass somewhere around 20. And more to pass just fine I am from of the result. If they spend significantly less I have an issue.

BUT this discussion would have NOTHING but NOTHING if there was not the top parameter of the bet: the Performance.

Let's go back to the Chelsea-Wolves example match (which I supposed to estimate 55-25-20) and let's look at it from the outsider's point of view.

If they give me in the Chelsea - Wolves match the double 5.00 and below, I will thank them warmly, I will say hello to them and I will go further.

If they give me the double at 5.50, some will say that we have value.

I disagree here. We have nothing because:

1) no one can guarantee that the probability of Wolves is 20% and it is not 17%. I repeat, probability is a completely theoretical concept in football. It is only in our minds.

2) Even if it is really 20%, (theoretically), the advantage we achieve (10%) is very small and it will take VERY many such matches to prove that our strategy works. Apart from that,

3) dealing with 20% odds, it is possible which advantage is "swallowed" by the negative fluctuation before we discover that we can be marginally profitable. In other words, in the first 20 such matches we can catch only 2 eg and we have played them only with an odds of 5.50.

But we do not mind all the above because there is no bet and no one forces us to play under these conditions. The small advantage, I do not consider it an advantage and I do not deal with it. If one is engaged, one does well for oneself.

But what happens in the event that Buk from his inherent weakness wants to cover his ears in the victory of the big favorite, give us the Wolves with odds e.g. 8.50;

Then, if criteria are met for the favorite and the underdog (which we have defined and which we have described) and if we "see" as we said, the probability of the underdog 20%, we play and you understand that we have the following paradox:

That in the end we do NOT need to be "magicians" with the possibilities. And to have fallen a little out, we have gained such a big advantage that in the end in 100 such matches, even if not the 20 we believe pass, but even the 15, we will be profitable. And our profitability will be seen early, in a few relatively few matches.

It therefore does not make sense to "argue" with each other if the probability is 22% or 18% when we have reached such a point at 8.50. Chances do NOT matter anymore.

Now, the "how much and above" we play a point that we "see" at 20% is in everyone's judgment. For the specific match in the example I e.g. below 6.50-7.00 I generally would not play it.


* The example was chosen completely randomly and refers to a theoretical match between the two teams in the middle of the season.
Coincidentally, the teams are playing the last game and it seems that both will be motivated. I am not referring to this match, nor am I interested in getting involved in pregame in order to have to take out a set of odds.
Odds, after all, have not come out yet. One Company took out 1.78 the ace and 4.15 the double (and withdrew them) and if the odds are really around there, far and beloved!

Sorry for the download.
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The odds of betting certainly have a theoretical basis, but the theoretical basis must be measurable and include real and not imaginary facts. The only real and measurable basis is the events of the past, which give us an idea of ​​what is going to happen in the future. Someone who wants to deal with speculation has to create a database for the species they want to deal with. The larger the database, the closer its findings will be to reality.

Surely there are many unbalanced factors and parameters that will determine the outcome of the future and many of them are not measurable. In no case can we count all the factors that will determine the outcome of a match, but if we want to speculate, we need to collect as much measurable data as possible and based on this data to distribute the odds. The past may also give us an idea of ​​the future, but in no way determines what will happen in the future, since each event has its own unique imprint. So there is really no guarantee for anything that has not been done yet. So what should be of interest to someone who guesses, is that his findings are as close as possible to reality.

Of course we can not diagnose the correctness or not of the odds from a single match. After all, the very concept of probabilities refers to a number of possible events. Even rolling the dice will only verify one result at a time. Sometimes even the same roll may come up repeatedly for 2 or 3 or 4 times. What does it mean that 16,6% is going to apply? Of course not. For example, we are talking about percentage odds with values ​​over 100, which means that we have to put together 100 matches and compare what odds we gave for each result and what actually happened in the end. If, for example, in the 100 games of a team we gave an average of 60% percentage for victory and in the end this team won only in 40 games, it means that we have a very big deviation from reality. If the team won a total of 100 games in 58 or 62, it means that we came very close to reality and that our guesses were generally correct. So there is a way to know if we are guessing right or wrong and it is important to know that, unless we only bet once in our lives on a match and never gamble again, so then it really does not make sense to deal with the odds as a whole.

Beyond that, as gamblers, in order to bet money on some matches we need to have some more criteria besides the dry odds. We need to know when to avoid and when to bet on certain points, regardless of their chances. Another has the form as a compass, another has the prehistory, another has the sequences of results, another has the series that break or do not break, etc., which of course are also completely theoretical, according to everyone's reasoning. But even these criteria can be made measurable to show what verification rates they have and whether we ultimately rely on them correctly or incorrectly.
 
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If we, for example, in the 100 games of a team we gave an average of 60% percentage for victory

If the team in a total of 100 games won in 58 or 62 means that we came very close to reality and that our guesses were generally correct.
A team that statistically has 60% eg in Assos there are some ways to approach.

A) To be able to achieve 60% not 100 times but 60. That is, to find out of 100 I will bet 60 to catch the Ass.
 
An extruded countdown coil will produce useful results.

Team..@-----W-------L------Possible Bet

That is, I will win 60 times, for example, 35 losses have been recorded and I am at 80 which means playing the next 20 I will lose 5 and I will win 15 (statistically always) whenever

20 matches
@ each match = 1,70 * 1,00 = 1,70

15 * 1,70 = 25,5 = win
 
A team that statistically has 60% eg in Assos there are some ways to approach.

A) To be able to achieve 60% not 100 times but 60. That is, to find out of 100 I will bet 60 to catch the Ass.
The objective yield for 60% verification chances is 1,66. The issue now is that a team with an average expected win of 60% will not always give 1,66 odds. For a probability and for a performance to come out, not only the odds of one team are counted, but the odds of both opposing teams are counted. Other times it will have more chances of winning than 2% and other times less chances, always depending on the capacity of the opponent it is facing, so its odds for victory should go up and down accordingly. For example, in some matches with weak opponents 60% can become 60% while in some matches with stronger opponents 75% can become 60%. In all its matches, however, the average odds for victory should normally be around 40. At what times you will bet and which ones you will avoid depends on your personal criteria. However, whenever you find such a team with an odds equal to or greater than 1,66 while playing with a weaker opponent, it is worth betting on the above, since in any case the chances of verification will be in your favor anyway.
 
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The objective yield for 60% verification chances is 1,66. . In all its matches, however, the average odds for victory should normally be around 1,66.


while in some matches with stronger opponents 60% can become 40%
And to be 40% there is no problem, since the evolution tells us it has 2-X reached 60% we have the moment that makes us bet 1,66 = Ace

However the appearance is close to 55%
 

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At what times you will bet and which ones you will avoid depends on your personal criteria.
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From what you see, it almost never helps you to choose the Ace;

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Another thing that matters is patience.
Today e.g. Inter - Leverkusen I do not see anything, Man. United - Copenhagen I see but the odds are tiny. No bet.
 

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