ITALIAN & GERMAN PROPO (TOTO)

[lageor7]

First of all, I greet the community as a young person.

A little about me:
After a few moons in betting and poker ... and with the developments in Greece, I turned to the old "values" ... our prop.
I have been doing a study on propo for a year now and I am building with the program of ZIKOS (I do not know if I have been left behind or it is very old in relation to something else that has caught my eye ... but it does me good).

Recently, however, I came across a site where, as he claims, you can play any gambling game in Italy, Spain and Germany, and I just saw the money that is distributed in the respective Propo or TOTO as they are called there ... I HAD FUN! Of course I was a little disappointed when I saw the price of the column (0,8 euros), but I'm still baking.

Does anyone know anything about the subject? What about Greek legislation, taxes, etc.? My information is zero on the subject as I could not find any reference to it on the internet! Can someone shed some light?

 

[Lilis]

Answer: ITALIAN & GERMAN PROPO (TOTO)

Recently, however, I came across a site where, as he claims, you can play any gambling in Italy, Spain and Germany and as soon as I saw the money that is distributed to the respective Propos or TOTO as they are called there ... I HAD FUN! Of course I was a little disappointed when I saw the price of the column (0,8 euros), but I'm still baking.

there are also sites that in addition to other games other states

you can also play greek lotto and joker ...

at a more expensive cost, however, if I remember correctly ...

hmmm I do not know if these "shops" belong to the "living room"
... of complete trust, that is ...

 

[lageor7]

Answer: ITALIAN & GERMAN PROPO (TOTO)

there are also sites that in addition to other games other states

you can also play greek lotto and joker ...

at a more expensive cost, however, if I remember correctly ...

hmmm I do not know if these "shops" belong to the "living room"
... of complete trust, that is ...

The fact that I did not find a reference on the internet worries me about the solvency of the site. However, I think that in Italy the column is 0,50 and not 0,80 that is on the site and I guess it is their supply.
But I think one can not know anything ... although the prop has been degraded in our country and not many people are involved, in these countries it has a lot of value. In Germany they still have 13 ari and in fact it pays up to 10 ari!

 

[lageor7]

Answer: ITALIAN & GERMAN PROPO (TOTO)

there are also sites that in addition to other games other states

you can also play greek lotto and joker ...

Where else can I play foreign models? ... I do not find anything .... only the totoeurope in which I registered (I did not receive a confirmation email, I just say it because I was impressed) and I sent a message where I asked questions and they answered. I quote both ...

I:

Hello, I am interested in playing totocalcio and Toto-Germany through your site but I have some concerns.

First of all i would like to know if that would be legal because i live in Greece and as you may know there are some changes with the gambling law here. Do you have or even need license (?) Cause, (correct me if i am wrong) you are not actually a sportsbook right.?

So, if I am ok to play from Greece, could you please inform about some details about:

-extra charges (charges for your services, fees, etc / anything besides my betting)
- Will I have to pay taxes for any profit? How much? and to which country?)
-How can I be sure for any money I put on the site? / Do I get any kind of receipt for my plays?
-How will i get the money for any profit?
Sorry for my many questions but this is really new to me

THEY:

Dear Sir, Kalimera.

* We can not advice in legal issues, we have a lot of Greek users for many years with no problems.
* There are no extra charges, what you pay for the ticket includes our commissions.
* Yes there are taxes over an amount you win, in Spain over 2500 Euros you will be deducted 20% for tax, in Italy over 500 Euros it is 5% tax, Germany as far as we know winnings are tax free.
* all the activity in our site is online no paper, your tickets are being captured in your ticket archive for at least two years.
* you can withdrawrew your winnings by bank transfer by us ..... or you can collect directly your winning from the official lottery you played.

Your questions are all right please do not hesitate to contact us if you have more questions.

Best Regards.
Support Team.

Opinions?....

 

[KOUVADOKINIGOS]

Answer: ITALIAN & GERMAN PROPO (TOTO)

the taxes are as they describe them to you
Have you done any research on this site on the internet?
what answers did he get
did you read anywhere about stools or anything like that?
however, I am under the impression that no other member of infobeto knows anything about it

 

[lageor7]

Answer: ITALIAN & GERMAN PROPO (TOTO)

I am also very impressed ... As for the internet, I was taken to a site that checks other sites for scam or malware and said there are no reports for that site (it also had the message "be the first to comment" or something like that) it turned out clean though. (green in all categories).

Sorry ... in Germany they really do not pay taxes on profits ??? !!!!! (They only want us to get through it ?!)

 

[stxma]

Answer: ITALIAN & GERMAN PROPO (TOTO)

and as soon as I saw the money that is distributed to the respective Propos or TOTO as they are called there ... I HAD FUN!

Can you give an exact link that shows where the money you say is shared ???

In Greece we have about 400.000 columns in each model
where the ratio is at 14ari ------------> 20.000e.
That is, in the 400.000 columns it will make a fund of 60.000e
and will give 20.000e.
The one that simply gives back 33% to about 14.

In Italy-Spain-Germany what are the corresponding prices !!!!

Since you mentioned the ZIKOS program, you will logically make some systems.
if you have one with 200 columns, how will you register it ?? One by one !!!

 

[lageor7]

Answer: ITALIAN & GERMAN PROPO (TOTO)

I think that the same percentages are shared there (around 40% if I am not mistaken) but in Germany, for example, over 500.000 euros are played continuously (in the worst case) with 0,50 per column, so over 1.000.000 columns minimum. I have also seen 1 million euros played in a competition.

You can better see the results here:
http://tinyurl.com/onbw79a
which is from the site I said

and for played columns, see here:
http://tinyurl.com/ootlgao

is the first he says Toto 13er. Above is the winning column. Where it has "0" it is "x".

Now when it comes to playing it is difficult even with the program to take out many columns (double and triple) and play them by hand. Unless you play a few. But even with simpler systems I bake. You only pay 0,8 per column if you play through toteurope but today I found this too:
http://tinyurl.com/otpkok6 which seems more official to me (it is in German).
The other solution, of course, is if you have a trusted person in Germany, where you make the systems with the program, print them on the regular bulletins and throw them directly at an agency.

 

[stxma]

Answer: ITALIAN & GERMAN PROPO (TOTO)

From what I understand at least the columns played in Germany are almost the same.
The only difference is that you pay 3.3 more per column.

100 * 0.15 € = 15 €
100 * 0.50 € = 50 €

And so it gives more than about 3.3 profits.

Now the point is that in the difference, that we have 13 games
and here 14, where the value is almost 0.50
at the same levels as 0.15 since the columns are * 3.

The prices you say are for jackpots
a middle ground is about that

Numbers Winners Profit 13 + 0 72 931.90€ 12 + 0 1383 48.50€ 11 + 0 10578 6.30€ 10 + 0 45430 1.40€

Numbers Winners Profit 13 + 0 124 1,020.90€ 12 + 0 2113 34.20€ 11 + 0 15618 4.60€ 10 + 0 65333 1.30€

Numbers	Winners	Profit
13 + 0	3	38,148.70€
12 + 0	37	1,767.50€
11 + 0	433	151.00€
10 + 0	3675	22.20€

 

[lageor7]

Answer: ITALIAN & GERMAN PROPO (TOTO)

The example you set is not the "average" model. It is one of the worst. Δηδ. easy / logical winning column, ή from competitions that did not raise a lot of money (there are some too), because I noticed that in Germany, if the coupon does not have German matches, the Germans do not play.
The second example you have, for example, 124 13s from 1.020,90 EUR means that the 13s distributed over 126.000 EUR without a jackpot !!! Now if everything came logically and half of Germany caught it, it has nothing to do.
If you look at the competition of 14/12 in Germany, which also did not have a pool and was a normal program, they were played 543.548,00 EUR with the first category (13ari) sharing

114.145,00 EUR where no one was found to take them. These are the gains in the other categories:

Income class	Number of Gains	Rate
1 (0 errors)	unb. / Jackpot	114,145.00 EUR
2 (1 error)	10	6522.50 EUR
3 (2 errors)	221	295.10 EUR
4 (3 errors)	2300	35.40 EUR

What I'm saying is mostly from jackpots since I'm interested in them. And here I do not play if it does not have a jackpot.

The columns played are not the same. I think it makes sense ... another population there.
Also, the column here is 0,25 and not 0,15.
Another thing I learned yesterday is that Spanish distributes 55% (here 40%).

Either way, although it is more expensive, I think it has a lot more value outside. The problem is that for the salary of a German it may be easy to play 300 columns eg with 0,5 / column, for our pocket it is very difficult.