OPAP or Internet Companies? Chat about "thieves" and stories with savages ...

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There is a lot of talk from time to time about whether it is more advantageous for a player to gamble. A lot of talk about the most advantageous rake, a lot of talk about the bonuses and benefits offered by a company, etc. With a first reading of the data, one will conclude that the player's interest dictates that he subscribe to an online betting company and bet there his money. With a first reading, OPAP with its local agencies, it should be rejected without discussion as an option for the player, due to the significantly larger rake compared to online companies. In fact, some comparing the OPAP. with the internet companies they call him "Thief", because of the big difference in the prices of the rake. These in theory.

The theory is good, but let's see what happens in practice. All this is very nice about the low rake of the internet companies, about bonuses, etc., but when are they valid? To put it bluntly, they are valid as long as the player is either lost or not winning. Because if suddenly the player starts to win the bet, all this disappears along with his personal account in an online company. Because the betting companies like and love the hassles excessively, while they dislike and see with half an eye those who win, either by luck or by method. As long as you lose, everything is fine for the companies. When you start to win you create a problem and you have to get out of the way. How; Either by humiliatingly lowering the limits of your Bet, or by blocking your account, or by creating problems for you in the return on profits, or by deleting you completely from a customer without further explanation. That you win is a sufficient explanation and you should understand it on your own. The testimonies of such events are well known and numerous, so I will not even bother to cite examples.

In contrast to OPAP. and if they want to, they can't fire you, because you play anonymously, without a personal account. Okay, if you get too close to them, they might find a way to scold you, but we're talking now.

So based on reality and not on the cheese that companies offer to entice players, what's the point? Where is the interest in playing a player? In online companies or in OPAP? What is certain is that if the player is a hassle, wherever he plays, it is the same. He just chooses who to put his money in. But if the player is one of those who usually wins, then the thing gets complicated.

Because what do I do with the low rake, and the bonuses, and the benefits, if they start not wanting me as a customer? What can I do if they only want me for as long as I lose and when I start winning they throw me out? After all, who is the real "thief"? Ο.Π.Α.Π. or the rest of the eagles? After all, OPAP he tells you, I have this rake to run my company. You want to play, you want not to play. He doesn't tell you, play for as long as you lose, but if you start winning, take the road…

I also listen to your opinions. What do you say;

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There is a lot of talk from time to time about whether it is more advantageous for a player to gamble. A lot of talk about the most advantageous rake, a lot of talk about the bonuses and benefits offered by a company, etc. With a first reading of the data, one will conclude that the player's interest dictates that he subscribe to an online betting company and bet there his money. With a first reading, OPAP with its local agencies, it should be rejected without discussion as an option for the player, due to the significantly larger rake compared to online companies. In fact, some comparing the OPAP. with the internet companies they call him "Thief", because of the big difference in the prices of the rake. These in theory.

The theory is good, but let's see what happens in practice. All this is very nice about the low rake of the internet companies, about bonuses, etc., but when are they valid? To put it bluntly, they are valid as long as the player is either lost or not winning. Because if suddenly the player starts to win the bet, all this disappears along with his personal account in an online company. Because the betting companies like and love the hassles excessively, while they dislike and see with half an eye those who win, either by luck or by method. As long as you lose, everything is fine for the companies. When you start to win you create a problem and you have to get out of the way. How; Either by humiliatingly lowering the limits of your Bet, or by blocking your account, or by creating problems for you in the return on profits, or by deleting you completely from a customer without further explanation. That you win is a sufficient explanation and you should understand it on your own. The testimonies of such events are well known and numerous, so I will not even bother to cite examples.

In contrast to OPAP. and if they want to, they can't fire you, because you play anonymously, without a personal account. Okay, if you get too close to them, they might find a way to scold you, but we're talking now.

So based on reality and not on the cheese that companies offer to entice players, what's the point? Where is the interest in playing a player? In online companies or in OPAP? What is certain is that if the player is a hassle, wherever he plays, it is the same. He just chooses who to put his money in. But if the player is one of those who usually wins, then the thing gets complicated.

Because what do I do with the low rake, and the bonuses, and the benefits, if they start not wanting me as a customer? What can I do if they only want me for as long as I lose and when I start winning they throw me out? After all, who is the real "thief"? Ο.Π.Α.Π. or the rest of the eagles? After all, OPAP he tells you, I have this rake to run my company. You want to play, you want not to play. He doesn't tell you, play for as long as you lose, but if you start winning, take the road…

I also listen to your opinions. What do you say;
There is a lot of talk from time to time about whether it is more advantageous for a player to gamble. A lot of talk about the most advantageous rake, a lot of talk about the bonuses and benefits offered by a company, etc. With a first reading of the data, one will conclude that the player's interest dictates that he subscribe to an online betting company and bet there his money. With a first reading, OPAP with its local agencies, it should be rejected without discussion as an option for the player, due to the significantly larger rake compared to online companies. In fact, some comparing the OPAP. with the internet companies they call him "Thief", because of the big difference in the prices of the rake. These in theory.

The theory is good, but let's see what happens in practice. All this is very nice about the low rake of the internet companies, about bonuses, etc., but when are they valid? To put it bluntly, they are valid as long as the player is either lost or not winning. Because if suddenly the player starts to win the bet, all this disappears along with his personal account in an online company. Because the betting companies like and love the hassles excessively, while they dislike and see with half an eye those who win, either by luck or by method. As long as you lose, everything is fine for the companies. When you start to win you create a problem and you have to get out of the way. How; Either by humiliatingly lowering the limits of your Bet, or by blocking your account, or by creating problems for you in the return on profits, or by deleting you completely from a customer without further explanation. That you win is a sufficient explanation and you should understand it on your own. The testimonies of such events are well known and numerous, so I will not even bother to cite examples.

In contrast to OPAP. and if they want to, they can't fire you, because you play anonymously, without a personal account. Okay, if you get too close to them, they might find a way to scold you, but we're talking now.

So based on reality and not on the cheese that companies offer to entice players, what's the point? Where is the interest in playing a player? In online companies or in OPAP? What is certain is that if the player is a hassle, wherever he plays, it is the same. He just chooses who to put his money in. But if the player is one of those who usually wins, then the thing gets complicated.

Because what do I do with the low rake, and the bonuses, and the benefits, if they start not wanting me as a customer? What can I do if they only want me for as long as I lose and when I start winning they throw me out? After all, who is the real "thief"? Ο.Π.Α.Π. or the rest of the eagles? After all, OPAP he tells you, I have this rake to run my company. You want to play, you want not to play. He doesn't tell you, play for as long as you lose, but if you start winning, take the road…

I also listen to your opinions. What do you say;
The problem with him OPAP in the agency is that it is almost impossible to win
With this rake you will lose for a long time
Without much experience I do not know what you can do in small markets, they never open, what mistakes are there, if they are played alone etc.
In general, however, it is terribly difficult compared to anywhere else to win in the long run, so you can't choose him. OPAP For this reason
In what it has to do with the other companies, it is as if it has been mentioned countless times here
Then you have to become a gangster and illegal with the risk of never being paid

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If you compare online companies with online OPAP then you will see that they do the same, fast porting if you win etc.
So the comparison is a bit misguided in my opinion. Maybe if there were other "earthly" bucks, things would be better in terms of competition, but it's very difficult for that to happen anytime soon.

There are also booklets, etc. that do not port or "chase" you if you win but none of them are "legal" while even the Asians who once considered them all as a "guarantee" for the "professional players", have their own issues to preserve their revenue (see cases of Singbet with betting cancellations, IBC that probably no longer exists, Sbobet that fits and odds now etc etc). Even now, with the absence of events and the damage suffered by each of them, things get even darker!

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If you compare online companies with online OPAP.
I do not compare online companies with the online OPAP. I compare the internet with the OPAP agencies. where you play anonymously, without a personal account. Obviously, the same applies to the online OPAP as to the other online companies.
Of course, this may change in the future. Maybe the OPAP agencies issue a customer name card with a registration number, and no one can play anonymously and unchecked. I am referring to what is happening now.

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Ο.Π.Α.Π. started from "anonymous" with the list Canelli and slowly he also made a few jumps in space entering the internet.
Gradually, he will also enter the mentality of "exclusion" of other companies. The biggest rake ensures him but he will also enter the mentality.
After all, who has him, do you think? OPAP ; The same and the same. I have heard of someone from OPAP. SA, which a decade ago worked for another betting company, advocated the release of the bet and the RGA.
So the "dilemma" doesn't tell me much.
But I have written elsewhere that the situation could - at least in theory - be addressed.

I don't play so much football. I play, but I'm basically a four-legged friend.
So the opaque, but also the state with the taxation that started in 2010, is about to cut me off.
racetrack, if he hasn't already done so. And we are even talking about mutual play, without its peculiarities
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It is the so-called "betting security" that makes the exclusions.
It is, more or less, a single company policy.
We are deceived by the title. Security equals her chase ... November 17 of the bet and the Croats we understand. But it is not. It's a set of rules to get all the profitable players out, or the seemingly profitable ones.

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I play, but I'm basically a four-legged friend.
So the opaque, but also the state with the taxation that started in 2010, is about to cut me off.
racetrack, if he hasn't already done so.
What are you saying my friend; Such damage will be done to you OPAP EU;
I hope at least the four-legged friends know that you are their friend, so that they don't get upset if you stop betting on them.

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What are you saying my friend; Such damage will be done to you OPAP EU;
I hope at least the four-legged friends know that you are their friend, so that they don't get upset if you stop betting on them.
We count our fund, man, before and after.
We are not doing anything else strange.
Do you allow us?
As for the ambitions I had to become his collaborator OPAP and they didn't make me, everyone knows that at least I was never in such a phase.

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I do not compare online companies with the online OPAP. I compare the internet with the OPAP agencies. where you play anonymously, without a personal account. Obviously, the same applies to the online OPAP as to the other online companies.
Of course, this may change in the future. Maybe the OPAP agencies issue a customer name card with a registration number, and no one can play anonymously and unchecked. I am referring to what is happening now.
The comparison is misplaced then, you compare dissimilar things ... compare with other "local" bookies then!

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The comparison is misplaced then, you compare dissimilar things ... compare with other "local" bookies then!
What exactly is dissimilar, and is it an inaccurate comparison? Let's say you've compared online companies and local bookings and found some that won't throw you out if you start winning?

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What exactly is dissimilar, and is it an inaccurate comparison? Let's say you've compared online companies and local bookings and found some that won't throw you out if you start winning?
They have the right to throw you out if they can technically do it.
You're not telling me, if I get you on the street where you come back from the grocery store with the apples and I tell you "let's bet on tomorrow's Bundesliga derby" are you both obliged to bet on me?
So?
How and why and for them the flight is done outside the bucks, don't be fooled. But it is their right.
And OPAP it is fine, although it has not yet entered the internet for good.
And stoiximan which now belongs to OPAP (he was recently limping on a friend of mine).

But also the player card they say will enter what it is?
Isn't it a weapon for porting?

Only with the mutual we get rid of it.
They can also cut you off from each other, but something serious must happen - like in the 80's, for example.
who had captured an entire spiral in the New World because they were setting up horse races.
If it's the same rake, then the difference between the two is predetermined. The approximate odds will be 2.00 and you will end up getting 1.90 or 2.10.

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They have the right to throw you out if they can technically do it ...
How and why and for them the flight is done outside the bucks, don't be fooled. But it is their right ...
Before you use the word "right", first find out what it means. It is not their "right" to throw you out. It is possible for them to throw you out. The word right derives from "law". So not even this degenerate law of the E.E.E.P. they don't recognize the "right" to be thrown out because you just win, so they invent a thousand and two other pretexts to do so.
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Before you use the word "right", first find out what it means. It is not their "right" to throw you out. It is possible for them to throw you out. The word right derives from "law". So not even this degenerate law of the E.E.E.P. they don't recognize the "right" to be thrown out because you just win, so they invent a thousand and two other pretexts to do so.
It's a right I'm afraid, as if they're making excuses.
In Australia, for customer reasons, they have agreed not to overdo it but it is right.
It's not the same as being denied service because you're black, or Pakistani, it's a financial issue. I don't agree with what they tell you and it's over, where the "agreement" between you is the bet.
In the old days, I don't know if this phase played in the English Bucks, in the neighborhoods. But they were still key agencies. But he may have been playing. If the amount was too large, I have heard that the central ones would call and it would be advisable if they would accept them.
In Greece, however, at the time when we had the racetrack in Faliro and the illegal bookings, players were excluded for fun and unlocked by them.
The only solution is mutual, creation of mutual. There is no other solution.
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Before you use the word "right", first find out what it means. It is not their "right" to throw you out. It is possible for them to throw you out. The word right derives from "law". So not even this degenerate law of the E.E.E.P. they don't recognize the "right" to be thrown out because you just win, so they invent a thousand and two other pretexts to do so.
I have read several posts where everyone considers it a right, their right is to set a limit of 1 euro on everyone because as a company it sets its limits but not separate limits for the player who wins. Really, when they have 1 euro bet, what profit can they have from the account because they do not close it unilaterally? when you say about the limits in the chat because they give us answers that the limits are of the market and that they are supposed to change or try in another event and in no case there is acceptance of restriction. We think they are making fun of us but they are standard answers so that there is no acceptance. They do it in other ways as you said ... Example: they drop my account into a list of accounts that are allegedly suspected of money laundering but there is not enough evidence to allegedly report to the relevant committee, for the public good they limit the account!!! without having to tell us after we have accepted that their every decision is fair and final. The nice thing is that if you go to court and win you will get your compensation but then you will eat a limit which will be legal because profitability + Education that you won, because they limited you as a professional !!! Who plays hobbies and makes this move ???
There is nowhere to talk about this.

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I have read several posts where everyone considers it a right, their right is to set a limit of 1 euro on everyone because as a company it sets its limits but not separate limits for the player who wins. Really, when they have 1 euro bet, what profit can they have from the account because they do not close it unilaterally? when you say about the limits in the chat because they give us answers that the limits are of the market and that they are supposed to change or try in another event and in no case there is acceptance of restriction. We think they are making fun of us but they are standard answers so that there is no acceptance. They do it in other ways as you said ... Example: they drop my account into a list of accounts that are allegedly suspected of money laundering but there is not enough evidence to allegedly report to the relevant committee, for the public good they limit the account!!! without having to tell us after we have accepted that their every decision is fair and final. The nice thing is that if you go to court and win you will get your compensation but then you will eat a limit which will be legal because profitability + Education that you won, because they limited you as a professional !!! Who plays hobbies and makes this move ???
There is nowhere to talk about this.
You say nonsense.
I said it, I explained why it is happening and I am not interested in the ridiculous excuses of the Buk and the EEEP.
This is to make fun of the boxes.

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. With a first reading, OPAP with its local agencies, it should be rejected without discussion as an option for the player, due to the significantly larger rake compared to online companies. In fact, some comparing the OPAP. with the internet companies they call him "Thief", because of the big difference in the prices of the rake. These in theory.




Because what do I do with the low rake, and the bonuses, and the benefits, if they start not wanting me as a customer? What can I do if they only want me for as long as I lose and when I start winning they throw me out? After all, who is the real "thief"? Ο.Π.Α.Π. or the rest of the eagles? After all, OPAP he tells you, I have this rake to run my company. You want to play, you want not to play. He doesn't tell you, play for as long as you lose, but if you start winning, take the road…
Of course snap and low rake. I've said it before, I'm playing snap with 6-7 rake!

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What exactly is dissimilar, and is it an inaccurate comparison? Let's say you've compared online companies and local bookings and found some that won't throw you out if you start winning?
I compare him OPAP with other local bookings (obviously not in Greece) and online OPAP with other online companies (accessible in Greece and not). There are some who don't throw you out if you win but are censored in the forum as "illegal" so it doesn't make sense and they can't be mentioned.

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Again, I don't understand why I should go into the process of choosing the smallest of the biggest thieves. The one who will steal you before you even set foot in the agency and the other when he realizes that you are beating him straight.
And sorry in advance dld, let's not talk about Asians and agents, but don't let people know they exist? No matter how it is concocted and what one needs to do.
I mean, sorry guys, when everyone sells you scrooge for one thing for 10 euros and the Chinese have it, do you choose Scrooge 4?

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No matter how you look at it, it's in your best interest to play online for as long as they leave you. If you play the same on the internet and the same on the ground floor OPAP and you win, it is obvious that your winnings will be greater than the online bet. So you play on the internet until you can no longer play and you turn it on OPAP.

Then you have to overcome the trap that by playing the same you will come out less, so you will unconsciously chase more risk to get the same out of the old, but that's another discussion.
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