Pandemic and ... # major

[Tigres]

On the one hand, you say that these measures should not be taken and you believe that they restrict individual freedom. On the other hand, you say that they do not offer anything substantial.

If everything turned black and no one was on the streets, you would still be making comparisons with the junta. Now that some activities have not been banned so that economic activity and supply of some essential goods are not zeroed in, you don't like it.

From what I understand, you think that with some public health support and financial support from the economically weaker citizens, we would be fine and there would be no need for more. In other words, you are talking about a herd immunity with social support. So I ask, how many ICUs would we need in such a scenario? How many staff recruitments for the NSS? How long would it take to implement such a plan? Would we have the luxury of time?

In general, can you tell me what is the alternative plan that the government should follow?

Kala koroideuomaste tora? Poia trofodosia? Pes tin alitheia .. Orismena erga sunexizontai kanonika se oikodomes, apla gia na mi ksenerosoun oi megaloependutes k fugoyn. Oso gia ta upoloipa pou rotas den gnorizo ​​.. O kurios Tsiodras den akousa na leei kouventa gia eleipseis se nosokomeia .. Ola stin atomiki euthini ta rixnei .. E gia na leei o kurios Tsiodras pos pos ola einai ok me ta ta dimosia nosokomeia, ets einai.

 

[FunBet]

Kala koroideuomaste tora? Poia trofodosia? Pes tin alitheia .. Orismena erga sunexizontai kanonika se oikodomes, apla gia na mi ksenerosoun oi megaloependutes k fugoyn. Oso gia ta upoloipa pou rotas den gnorizo ​​.. O kurios Tsiodras den akousa na leei kouventa gia eleipseis se nosokomeia .. Ola stin atomiki euthini ta rixnei .. E gia na leei o kurios Tsiodras pos pos ola einai ok me ta ta dimosia nosokomeia, ets einai.

For a while, let's leave Tsiodras, the individual responsibility, the government and the well-known entanglements with the domestic and international business establishment (which almost all of us have been realizing for a long time).

I would like to know what would be the right approach to the issue (and I'm not just asking you). I would like to hear a complete alternative and documented solution. It is not enough for me to point out the "omissions" of the intertwined government.

I would like to hear what the right approach would be. I will respect even the one who would choose the sacrifice of vulnerable groups to save the economy and declare it straightforwardly (without herds of herd immunity, IN THE SAME), taking responsibility and accepting the criticism of the ethics of his choice.

 

[Tigres]

For a while, let's leave Tsiodras, the individual responsibility, the government and the well-known entanglements with the domestic and international business establishment (which almost all of us have been realizing for a long time).

I would like to know what would be the right approach to the issue (and I'm not just asking you). I would like to hear a complete alternative and documented solution. It is not enough for me to point out the "omissions" of the intertwined government.

I would like to hear what the right approach would be. I will respect even the one who would choose the sacrifice of vulnerable groups to save the economy and declare it straightforwardly (without herds of herd immunity, IN THE SAME), taking responsibility and accepting the criticism of the ethics of his choice.

Ego ta exo pei or tin arxi. Mesa MONO oi ilikiomenoi, oi eupatheis omades, K osoi tous prosexoyn.Oi upoloipoi canonika sunexizoun tis zoes tous. De noeitai gia mia flu (oso foniki K an einai auti) na mantroneis mesa mia olokliri xora, k na katastrefeis oikonomika ekatommuria anthropous.

 

[Kavajim]

Ego ta exo pei or tin arxi. Mesa MONO oi ilikiomenoi, oi eupatheis omades, K osoi tous prosexoyn.Oi upoloipoi canonika sunexizoun tis zoes tous. De noeitai gia mia flu (oso foniki K an einai auti) na mantroneis mesa mia olokliri xora, k na katastrefeis oikonomika ekatommuria anthropous.

Ego ta exo pei or tin arxi. Mesa MONO oi ilikiomenoi, oi eupatheis omades, K osoi tous prosexoyn.Oi upoloipoi canonika sunexizoun tis zoes tous. De noeitai gia mia flu (oso foniki K an einai auti) na mantroneis mesa mia olokliri xora, k na katastrefeis oikonomika ekatommuria anthropous.

I will not comment on your opinion. After all, everyone has the right to have their say.

I will just ask a question.

If they told me to show 1-2 people-leaders who put money on everything, I would tell you first Trump and then Johnson.
I also think that would be the answer of almost everyone.

Question: How do you comment that Johnson changed his initial beliefs about the virus and within a few days folded and began restricting travel, closed schools and generally moved to the rest of Europe except Sweden?
Also, how do you comment that Trump started with press statements, nothing touches us, we just close the communication with China, then he started taking restrictive measures for 2 weeks and today he changed it to "until Easter" and announced that things are more seriously and will the measures continue until the end of April;

And think that both have the ability to cut money without asking anyone. Trump has already announced that he is throwing 2 trillion ...

So is the economy more than just going to work, digging, planting, building cars, opening the bank?
Is the real economy a bubble that just bursts or doesn't burst with social stability or the fear of crash?
Doesn't it make sense to make consumer goods and services if the buying public is lost and terrified?
Is the only way to calm the buying public mass is to offer it stability (social, health)?


So do the heavyheads of the economy, which is the definition of the "right", know better why they had to make this deliberate asshole in order for the economy to survive?

And a second sub-question: In my older post, I wrote that "almost" your solution was implemented in Japan and Korea. And I say almost because there were several.

Can you answer me why it was only applied there and not in the previous west?

I will read the answer tomorrow ...

PS: I had a second more personal question, but I will leave it so that it does not appear that I am biased ...

 

[kex]

Regarding the economy ... I think it is clear that they are trying to keep things as they are. They don't want to ruin this fairy tale. After all, they don't have much to lose, the banks are theirs and they cut as much money as they want.
All they care about is having a good time and the poor working for them without much objection and offering them services. That's why they throw three and will continue to throw as many as they need.
The question is what do we do?
Are our lives worth living?
My personal view may be for a while longer until everything is automated and there is artificial intelligence everywhere.
Then most will be useless even scientists or doctors.
At best we will get a small bonus for the basics and they will say thank you.
Unless you're in Africa, you don't get help and you starve to death.
Finally, I do not think that this exploitation will end soon, so the economy will still exist for many years to come, so don't worry.
Anyone interested is in the Zeitgeist documentary series to learn some basic things.
Also, the new netflix movie gives the platform food for thought.
These from me.

 

[Pro]

How South Korea 'leveled' coronavirus cases - With timely action and thousands of tests daily

He succeeded without the draconian measures of the Chinese type

www.thetoc.gr

Guys, I'm rewriting it. Treating a pandemic with a virus that has not been treated so far is the 4 steps I posted on the link. South Korea has put epidemiologists and infectious disease specialists in power, and Italy did not want to shut down car industries until yesterday and was thinking about money.

In fact, in 2009 the World Health Organization was accused by many countries of misconduct and described the h1n1 as a pandemic.
Of course, these countries know better what to do when the virus spreads worldwide and we don't even know the characteristics of the virus until then and of course there was no cure until then.

 

[Pro]

Ego ta exo pei or tin arxi. Mesa MONO oi ilikiomenoi, oi eupatheis omades, K osoi tous prosexoyn.Oi upoloipoi canonika sunexizoun tis zoes tous. De noeitai gia mia flu (oso foniki K an einai auti) na mantroneis mesa mia olokliri xora, k na katastrefeis oikonomika ekatommuria anthropous.

When the World Health Organization declares a pandemic the way to deal with it is one, I posted above the way.
I1n1 in 2009 was ultimately low in mortality and less contagious than the flu virus, and treatment was found in 4 months. But all this after a holiday. If the next virus to be declared by the World Health Organization is 5 times more contagious than today's virus?
It's not like that .......... the way to deal with it is one.

The immunity of the herd that some people write if they hear an infectious disease specialist clearly states that yes we will find the cure much faster but the deaths will be launched worldwide. This has been the case in many Western countries in 2009, but the World Health Organization does not consider it a first step in treating pandemics.

 

[Pro]

How South Korea 'leveled' coronavirus cases - With timely action and thousands of tests daily

He succeeded without the draconian measures of the Chinese type

www.thetoc.gr

How Taiwan became the model country for dealing with the mockery

What did the government and the state mechanism do that, unfortunately, did not do other countries (and of course not Greece either), except when it was already too late. And maybe not even then.

www.huffingtonpost.gr

What did Taiwan or South Korea do and get rid of it and Italy didn't do it and April is coming and it's still running to catch the virus.
The United States, which Trump said in April the virus would die, announced 2 trillion yesterday to deal with the virus, which I don't think will happen because when it had to act, it was mocking and looking to increase its profits.

 

[Tigres]

DIAVASTE TO OLOI, OLO. O KLEANTHIS GRIVAS EXEI APODEIKSEI OLA AUTA TA XRONIA POIOS EINAI. AN EPIXEIRISETET NA VGALETE FAKE K AUTON TON ANTHROPO .. E MONO TSIODRES SAS AKSIZOUN.
(4) All the highly bloody "successive wars" in its history, inherently schizophrenic, human, have never been portrayed as such. They have always been portrayed as wars to defend some shabby ideologies about the unique "correct" religious faith, the "purity" of blood and race, the defense of some metaphysical "laws" of history, and so on.



And now, that the arsenal of purely metaphysical objections has been exhausted, an attempt is being made to invoke a metaphysical "scientific" cause: to deal with a virus that has been with us for millennia.



So, next to religious fanaticism is added and a "scientific" fanaticism, combined in a mentally dangerous and toxic blend.



Because, of course, the unwavering faith in "One and true God" and unwavering faith in "One and true science", have no substantial differences.

ΤΟ ΖΗΤΗΜΑ ΔΕΝ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΕΝΑΣ ΚΟΡΩΝΑΪΟΣ - ΑΛΛΑ ΜΙΑ ΚΑΤΑΡΡΕΥΣΗ - Zougla

For the first time in history, the existence of a contagious disease is being cited as a reason ...

www.zougla.gr

 

[Kavajim]

Pro, that he writes thetoc I wrote it exactly one day before here almost literally, in my post about potential solutions and herd immunity ...

Also the expression foolish nonsense I see is used by some now. Yesterday I read an article by a current MP with this title ...

I should probably turn it to journalism.

 

[Kavajim]

Redirection certification

2 days later comes the official confirmation from the mayor of Ikaria ...

Let's all go and call him a fascist

 

[Pro]

https://www.facebook.com/2428107534084155/posts/2792749890953249

The striking thing is that the number of South Korea is behaving

The video is about the month of March.

 

[Kavajim]

Even more tragic would be seeing America run in recent days.
Today they talked about a auspicious scenario of 100.000-200.000 dead !!!

 

[kwnstantinos20]

As milisoume omos ligo gia tin Uruguay pou meno tora.

for a Uruguayan citizen very eager I observe you for what is happening here. COME where you live in Uruguay. do you know the other with the pontius? will you marry us now? you just read a yellow site of the plaque that says "how to fight the coronary in Latin America".


my own and only my own question what I voted for. here the topic was opened for the pandemic of the crown and not for the political identities of the readers.

I will end because you are looking unfairly and rudely while we have the perfect example next to us and it is called TURKEY.
which country has stopped sports lately? which country lives in an almost dictatorial regime. What did the dictatorial leader say for so long about the coronation issue?

If it was a lie, I can't believe why Turkey has stopped all its operations for the last time. why is turkey making remote cemeteries? (Is it because they are dying and he wants to hide the number of corpses?)

The point is, my friend, I just don't believe in conspiracy theories. I wake up in the morning and if I read in the media that so many people died from the new disease in China, I believe it. I don't think he's kidding me because he's controlled by Marinakis. you, on the other hand, believe that this is exactly what is happening. so I'm waiting for you to tell me what the ultimate goal is ???

You are talking about 50 million while we are talking here, there is a party in the weapons systems. these numbers are a joke. these numbers are for breakfast any governments. I emphasize it ANYWHERE YOU RUN left or right or center.

so you don't convince me of anything. not that you are staying in Paraguay, not even for the money party that is taking place.
so if you want to have the audience listen to you here, explain to us what is the ultimate purpose of this crisis.

anything else is powerless.

also reading all the posts here you are the same that in almost every post you name anyone who has the opposite opinion. are you a junta in depth?

 

[Tigres]

for a Uruguayan citizen very eager I observe you for what is happening here. COME where you live in Uruguay. do you know the other with the pontius? will you marry us now? you just read a left site of the plaque that says "how to fight the coronary in Latin America".


my own and only my own question what I voted for. here the topic was opened for the pandemic of the crown and not for the political identities of the readers.

I will end because you are looking unfairly and rudely while we have the perfect example next to us and it is called TURKEY.
which country has stopped sports lately? which country lives in an almost dictatorial regime. What did the dictatorial leader say for so long about the coronation issue?

If it was a lie, I can't believe why Turkey has stopped all its operations for the last time. why is turkey making remote cemeteries? (Is it because they are dying and he wants to hide the number of corpses?)

The point is, my friend, I just don't believe in conspiracy theories. I wake up in the morning and if I read in the media that so many people died from the new disease in China, I believe it. I don't think he's kidding me because he's controlled by Marinakis. you, on the other hand, believe that this is exactly what is happening. so I'm waiting for you to tell me what the ultimate goal is ???

You are talking about 50 million while we are talking here, there is a party in the weapons systems. these numbers are a joke. these numbers are for breakfast any governments. I emphasize it ANYWHERE YOU RUN left or right or center.

so you don't convince me of anything. not that you are staying in Paraguay, not even for the money party that is taking place.
so if you want to have the audience listen to you here, explain to us what is the ultimate purpose of this crisis.

anything else is powerless.

also reading all the posts here you are the same that in almost every post you name anyone who has the opposite opinion. are you a junta in depth?

Loipon exeis xasei ton elegxo, exeis sterepsei yan epixeirimata, k les vlakeies. Gia polu kaki sou tuxi omos epeses pano se emena k ego de kruvomai yan KANENA, epeidi de xrostao se KANENA, k den exo anagki KANENA. Edo enopoion olon tora, posa xrimata tha mou doseis an sou steilo TORA foto mou apo Uruguay? Gia na se do megale k trane sukofanti ... Pou tolmas na les pos sas koroideuo oti eimai stin Uruguay, K na na me vgazeis pseuti.

 

[kwnstantinos20]

On the one hand, you say that these measures should not be taken and you believe that they restrict individual freedom. On the other hand, you say that they do not offer anything substantial.

If everything turned black and no one was on the streets, you would still be making comparisons with the junta. Now that some activities have not been banned so that economic activity and supply of some essential goods are not zeroed in, you don't like it.

From what I understand, you think that with some public health support and financial support from the economically weaker citizens, we would be fine and there would be no need for more. In other words, you are talking about a herd immunity with social support. So I ask, how many ICUs would we need in such a scenario? How many staff recruitments for the NSS? How long would it take to implement such a plan? Would we have the luxury of time?

In general, can you tell me what is the alternative plan that the government should follow?

no plan can tell you. don't push him. let him scream again and again with what he reads on the yellow sites.

So I will ask you a question tigres. is there a virus?
because everything you say leads me to the fact that there is no one to what exists but no measures are needed to the fact that there is but fucking all governments for the disintegrated health system. and then again that we have dictatorships. I have not understood.

is there a virus ?????? if there is what should we do? 2 simple questions.

 

[kwnstantinos20]

Loipon exeis xasei ton elegxo, exeis sterepsei yan epixeirimata, k les vlakeies. Gia polu kaki sou tuxi omos epeses pano se emena k ego de kruvomai yan KANENA, epeidi de xrostao se KANENA, k den exo anagki KANENA. Edo enopoion olon tora, posa xrimata tha mou doseis an sou steilo TORA foto mou apo Uruguay? Gia na se do megale k trane sukofanti ... Pou tolmas na les pos sas koroideuo oti eimai stin Uruguay, K na na me vgazeis pseuti.

Here, in front of everyone, I declare that it is at least a joke to say as an operation that you will send me a photo and so you will prove to me that you remain an equator. as if I already knew the face shot and I will be able to verify it now .....

I don't think you stay in ουργurguaistan because you are an authoritarian like the ones you are shouting here in Greece ... so bad for someone who stays so far away. I'm not stuck.

so I don't care where you live. I just don't eat weed.

 

[Pro]

Tires with what you're writing about as a herd of immunity, as if you are controlling the virus one by one the other will not take you seriously. Well, I say so.

 

[Tigres]

Tires with what you're writing about as a herd of immunity, as if you are controlling the virus one by one the other will not take you seriously. Well, I say so.

Nai Kai k said paro sta sovara esena pou upakous how to try sta meters tou kouli, K enimeronesai or tin tsiodritsa. Ela trava K min asxoleisai mazi mou.

 

[Pro]

Kai Kai k tha paro start sovara esena pou upakous sa provato sta metra tou kouli, K enimeronesai yan tin tsiodritsa. Ela trava K min asxoleisai mazi mou.

Take neither me nor Kouli seriously, take the 20-million-strong Taiwanese country or the 45-million-strong South Korea, and Italy's 60-million have almost 100.000 cases.