Online gambling for a few and powerful

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Online gambling for a few and powerful

VANGELIS MANDRAVELIS - Kathimerini

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With a French model, the Greek government intends to promote the release of online gambling.

Both the draft law presented by the Finance Ministry last October and the draft online gambling regulation presented last month by the regulator show that the country is seeking to open the market, but this is done with a very small number of players. As happened in France a decade ago, the current Greek government is shaping a rather oligopolistic market, in which there will be very few and powerful businesses in the future.

This is similar to the current stage of the market. Enterprises holding a temporary license are 24, but those who have voluntarily complied with the rules of the Treasury and EEEP are measured at the fingers of one hand. Three of them last year checked 89% of turnover and 91% of gross revenue. "I do not see more than two or three players in the market," admits an experienced gaming market executive. The parameters that will determine the number of players will be mainly two: First, the one-time price of the license and, secondly, the kind of icebergs that will be allowed to take place in the new context.

Regarding the one-time cost of entry to the market, the government has undoubtedly put it very high. The cost of the 5 Year A license (default betting) is set to 4 million and 1 million for type B licenses (other games).

Amounts are high, while in other countries, more numerous in Greece, the cost of these licenses is in the tens of thousands of euros or a few hundreds of thousands of euros. The average in the above countries is in the range of 70 to 100.000 euro per year, ie 350 to 500.000 euro over the five-year period. So the leap for entry to the domestic market was set by the Greek government very high.

Similarly, France had applied 2010 when it opened the online market. Then the ARJEL had set the cost of each license to 8 million. This one-time cost brought bids from players counted in both hands when those concerned were dozens, if not hundreds.

The same is expected to happen here. Due to the nature of the Internet, online gambling operators compete globally.

As a result, profit margins are low, both casinos and the casino OPAP. It is worth mentioning that since the 7 bills last year by Greek players on the Internet, their gross gaming revenues (GGR) did not exceed 400 million or 6% of the turnover.

Of these 140 million or 35% of GGR will be received by the Greek state in the form of GGR Tax. On the other hand, online operators have lower operating costs since they do not use strong assets.

The barriers, however, of the Greek government do not stop there. Like the French government in the past, so the Greek wants to limit online gambling that their conduct is entirely based on luck. These are gambling based on random number generators (RNGs) and are known as "dumbbells". France has forbidden them to do so for addiction. According to psychologists, games based entirely on accidental contingencies are more addictive than others, such as is sports betting.

The Greek government, however, has one more reason to seek the ban on these games through the RNG. He wants to prevent any legal appeals OPAP, which 2011 paid 560 million to obtain the license of VLTs, the operation of which is based on RNGs. Market participants report that if the Greek government wanted to offer such licenses, it would have to expect recourse to arbitration on its part OPAP. The latter, during the consultation just a few days ago, called for further clarification on this issue.

But with him OPAP, all providers opposed this ban on these games. Intralot, PokerStars, the online gaming providers association RGA, the bet365 etc. They consider that this ban will leave the liberalization of this market incomplete, while at the same time it will push the market to illegal providers. Even the manager of the Regency casino considered the ban wrong. "We believe that blocking the existence of gambling with a random number generator (RNG) on the Internet, which is very popular, can create problems in the smooth regulation of the market, affecting competition and reducing revenue for the State, as many will choose illegal gambling ", it is mentioned in the relevant consultation.


The prohibition

Internet providers estimate that the ban will cost the market the 25% of its size. This loss corresponds to about 1,7 billion bets and 100 million euro gross earnings (GGR). Also, as pointed out, the Greek State will lose annual taxes of the order of 35 million.

However, many believe that it will be difficult for the government to now "comply" with a market that has learned to run for years of RNG-based games. This will be a bet for many, including him OPAP and its competitors.


Who cares about licenses

The number of online gambling licensees will depend on the government's final decisions, and especially whether to allow gambling based on totally random events (RNGs).

It is certainly so OPAP as well as its 70% GML affiliate, which operates under the trademark Stoiximan, will claim at least one wagering license. It is not excluded that the latter will also claim the B license that includes "other games" related to live (casino) casino gambling. These licenses may also be of interest to Greek casino companies, which in theory have the infrastructure to offer gaming.

B2B Gaming Services Malta, which is the second most important provider in our country, is expected to claim the third license.

Beyond that, participation remains fluid. Great foreign names such as GVC Holdings, The Stars Group and others. seem to weigh the conditions, but keep the door open for a possible entry into the market.

The final decisions, however, will be made on the basis of the final conditions for the liberalization of the market in our country. It is recalled that GVC Holdings operates with various brands such as Bwin, Sportingbet and others. The Stars Group controls PokerStars, Betstars, and others.

Most of the above services currently operate under the temporary licensing regime, through their subsidiaries or through contracts with third parties holding the temporary licenses and are normally based in Malta. Very few participated in the consultation (The Stars Group, bet365) although the majority of stakeholders were theoretically represented by the Remote Gambling Association (RGA).
 

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They must leave them all.
Otherwise it is not called a free market. It's called a dud-system.
After whoever steals the state or the players or makes limiting, from the ear and the teacher.

I'm going to play for the big ones, I know.
But the monopoly is at the expense of the whole.
Essentially, the state accepts to bribe in return for allowing the indecision of certain persons (cf. OPAP First and Best Unsolicited).
 

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Question. The millions of euros that a license will cost will include the tax evasion committed by the 3 "big ones";

In 2019 I asked for a profit certificate 2018 in one of the 3 "big" companies. And while (according to a careful count in my betting history) I was waiting for the certificate to write somewhere in the 3000 euro net profit, I was surprised to see that, in 2018 my account recorded a net profit of the astronomical amount of 60 euros!

The company's answer: 3000 was a winning offer! Because of betting without risk, since the amount of the bet was not deducted from my account, and the earnings I can not count on the earnings confirmation.

In a few words. You are depositing with a company 1-1-2018 300 € and 31-12-2018 has made 3300 €, asking all of them and sending them. You have put in the net profit 3hilliro and when you ask for your winnings you say that you pay mainly in bids where it's as if you are not winning, we do not get proof of you, if you gave us 300 and gave you 3300.
You said you asked them to show Roi on your bill.
The conclusion is yours to make.


And because it's good to say names, because of personal experience, I imagine you're talking about him STOIXIMAN, correctly;
 

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I try to understand the logic in the non-quote and I come to the assumption that the winnings remove the free bets. eg + - you are + 3000 euro there comes and tells you you have 3000 Euro profit you took part in 100 suitable with 30 Euro free bet so I gave you my pocket 3000 to play 3000 Euro 3000 profit -XNUMX Euro free bets I gave you your profit zero.
Is this logical? as a reasoning you do not call it absurd, but here we are talking about taxation so the question is whether it is tax law, I do not know at all!
If it's tax law, is it moral to save taxes with this type of donation? Here with enough irony I will say that I know: That is legitimate is moral !!! this was a statement of a political man of this country in a 9 statement. That evening I realized how small I was about the way I saw things.
In our case, you went into trouble to see all of the full bet and that you could get cash as a bonus (in last year's Australian Open he also gave cash as a percentage of turnover, this year as his subsidiary snap None of these).
 
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I say we can get MERRACUMUMX as a retaliation in a few months! : twis:: banana:
 

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[FONT = &] The required message in the ad says "risk of losing property". [/ FONT]

[FONT = &] So as a government you think you are limiting gambling because people are in danger of losing their money. By what logic then do you increase the risk and the loss of property of the poor with huge taxes? [/ FONT]

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I wonder about the specific "problem" of filing with the tax office ... if you want to declare you do it in 100 ways, and if the company tells you that it is a gift and can not consider it a profit, so be it, they have lawyers everywhere.

Thousands of Schoofrets were distributed as gifts to children, you have no proof since it is a gift from the company, which has paid for the construction cost, there is no gin.
 

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I wonder about the specific "problem" of filing with the tax office ... if you want to declare you do it in 100 ways, and if the company tells you that it is a gift and can not consider it a profit, so be it, they have lawyers everywhere.

Thousands of Schoofrets were distributed as gifts to children, you have no proof since it is a gift from the company, which has paid for the construction cost, there is no gin.
I wonder why I was bothered by my comment, if I think of dislike. If you are a representative of the employee of this particular company, let us know.
Problem for me is not, I have testimonials from other companies. But it could be a problem if we did not talk about 3k profits but much more. There was no problem but it could have been aroused. The company's logic was disturbed, no problems arose.
You mentioned 100 ways but you did not think if the other wants to say with one, with what he thinks is right, since this has earned the winnings.
 
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Instead of saying and thank you to the companies that have 0 scratchy and we play pleasantly at our time we hear exaggerations less ... I'm not the stranger or the suspect here, I see you have the fly.

If they say they are out of gift and have no proof, they are ... in the supermarket when you pay shampoos and give you a softener gift the proof does not write it, if you collect 1000 bottles you will explain to the tax collector you found them.
 

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Instead of saying and thank you to the companies that have 0 scratchy and we play pleasantly at our time we hear exaggerations less ... I'm not the stranger or the suspect here, I see you have the fly.

If they say they are out of gift and have no proof, they are ... in the supermarket when you pay shampoos and give you a softener gift the proof does not write it, if you collect 1000 bottles you will explain to the tax collector you found them.
Malista.Deliadis in your opinion should say and thank the player to a game that gives 0 ganita in a single match or two of the 500 he has every day.
For the rest of the 499 or 498 that has gangsters close to 10% in many of them, you did not say anything about whether the player should say thank you to the company.
For Limit, the 1-2 maxbet, which is even for plaque, even for players who do not even play arbitrage, late bets, etc. and who just play fairly, by reading 10-12 hours on the day you did not say anything.

Obviously for you it is suspicious even for someone to play a bet correctly only when they have an advantage, and only the player who plays with the logic "this ace will come out" is correct.
Unless by that I mean what I mean by "weird or suspicious" I'm probably rinsing or something like that, so I'm going to tell you dearly that if I did that, the only sure thing would be that I would not even post on forums. .

Y.K. As for what you said that you spend your time playing 0 racing, I will tell you that you are very well, but some other players do not play to enjoy their time but to win, and as legitimate as you are they are also legitimate.
 
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With 0 rake you win ... you basically earn the money that the company gives you and, moreover, you enjoy it, plus offers that are even better than scratch.

Beyond the arrogance there is the issue of exaggeration ... here you are asking PPC to tell you how many of the 1500 Euro you owe to a stream and to pay as much to ERT and the municipality and does not allow you !!!
It cuts you, the money is good today and we do not talk, but we're shouting that a company pours out of our money pocket a gift for us because it does not write to us,
 
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If they say they are out of gift and have no proof, they are ... in the supermarket when you pay shampoos and give you a softener gift the proof does not write it, if you collect 1000 bottles you will explain to the tax collector you found them.

The earnings certificate is issued by betting companies, so you DO NOT need to explain to the tax collector who found the money.

Let's say I got off of him stoiximan a thousand euros net profit, which I deposited in a bank account. I ask for a profit statement and tells me that you won 500 and not 1000, because the other 500 came from bids. So I declare 500 from 1000 to the tax office. The rest of 500 (which are in the bank), how will you justify them to the tax office? Will you tell him they were profits from bids, so they do not count? Will you spray them with Ajax to become invisible?
 
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With 0 rake you win ... you basically earn the money that the company gives you and, moreover, you enjoy it, plus offers that are even better than scratch.

Beyond the arrogance there is the issue of exaggeration ... here you are asking PPC to tell you how many of the 1500 Euro you owe to a stream and to pay as much to ERT and the municipality and does not allow you !!!
It cuts you, the money is good today and we do not talk, but we're shouting that a company pours out of our money pocket a gift for us because it does not write to us,
So now you tell us that it is overwhelming not to have some taxi bots.
If you earn an amount, and let's say it is big or simply respected, you thought it was too much to ask for a profit statement to avoid bluffing with the law;

We say that it does not even let you play since the limit is 1 and 2 euro and you talk about ungratefully.
What do not you understand? Playing the player loses all good. He starts winning the chribar hatch, maxbet 1-2 euro. Their rights are naturally but the player is not thanked. He has won his money and won, he must thank himself playing properly and not the company.
The company will find another way to play its bet, the Greek company that accepts it as a customer does not like it. Thanks to it, if it had only this company as a choice or if this company was much better than all the others, if it operated in a different way from the others, such as a barrier.
If a company deserved to be told by all the players "thank you for it" it was just betfair, no more.
 
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There are laws in the country ... if the forum makes a gift to the winner of the competition that is done here can not provide him the attestation you want.
People have been clearly told if they are not properly calculating and beyond the gift you would have gained a normal rake, it is a matter for them to see.


Generally, the laws are not perfect, they create problems and many exploit them, so the people right then shout at something blatant.
This is PPC that does not tell you how much you owe it, so you can not pay it.

But here we are talking about a small detail with many easy solutions from a company that Gives you money as a gift just to put you in the game and I think everyone who has the energy has to deal with real issues.
 
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But here we are talking about an unimportant detail, with many easy solutions from a company that gives you money as a gift to put in the game, and perhaps we have to thank them and deal with real cheats.
It is not important. I have mentioned somewhere that a problem was created, since the amount was not big. This is what we said is that in the case of another player it could have been bigger and could have trouble with it anywhere while it should not be a problem .

Many easy solutions, you say. So if you win 50-60 and do not give you a profit confirmation, you are ready and easy to solve. Even your professional gives you the opportunity to declare a lot of money where you do not care. If you need a clerk to do a job here, you will also offer jobs to your cohorts.

You also say that someone should say thank you to a company that has given him the opportunity to earn some money through bids. The fact that before he has given the offer he may have deposited-lost money from the money he won through offers did not get you out of the mind. No one could have missed even a lot of playing games. Two in-a-kuba races are enough to send you more hunger for the bucket, and there are many players who have no patience, between them and older ones.

As for the "real scammers" you mention at the end, why did they do it a little more in detail again because I did not catch it and did not understand who you mean
 
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I said there were real fraudsters who exploit imperfect laws to deal with ... (PPC - I do not tell you how much you owe me - I collect for others - I cut out serious services)

I do not have anything to do with what you say ... with a simple logic if you work somewhere will give you a paycheck, if you buy something will give you proof, if you get a gift from a company, or your brother or you find it on the street you will just say it must)
 

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Answer: Online gambling for a few and powerful

I would like to ask a question to friend blizard.

Say I'm getting around 10hill from betting net that's in Greece let's say stahiman he does not give you a certificate of profits for such a large amount. You want to buy a car and buy it. Your income does not justify the car because it is inferior to what you make, known relatives can not justify it, how do you justify these 10 chips since the company does not give you a certificate of profits?

Be careful I do not want an answer of the style "There are laws that you do, there is still a window, there are solutions etc" generalizations etc I ask something specific I want a specific answer so law or article that this here covers you. You know something?
 
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I said there were real fraudsters who exploit imperfect laws to deal with ... (PPC - I do not tell you how much you owe me - I collect for others - I cut out serious services)

I do not have anything to do with what you say ... with a simple logic if you work somewhere will give you a paycheck, if you buy something will give you proof, if you get a gift from a company, or your brother or you find it on the street you will just say it must)
In your previous comment, you mentioned laws that exist in the country, without saying whether it is true or not, and now you compare unmistakable things. Another payroll if you find them on the road, and else you bet on a company.
Theoretically, when you bet you are likely to lose a lot, but there are also some chances of winning a lot.

When you lose everything well. We do not care that you have done it and springs deeply into the bucket all the year, it is enough that you have not made deposits through a credit-debit viva, because if you make that mistake we will try to present you if you can not justify the amount depositors, and we are not interested in the fact that by playing money betting through deposits-withdrawals are re-circulated.

However, you can also win. And in this case, since they want to talk about legitimate betting, it should have been planned to cover you if a lucrative year, or if you generally have the skills and advantage, can force you to you are hiding and you have problems, just because lawmakers do not have ideas and of course some others may be able to use windows of the law and declare what they want for the jiro they do .. Even though I accepted 300 jiro today but 250 the acceptants from players who are bidding on offer. So 50kirr. And it's a little bit that it would not be possible for a company to do that. For Greece, we talked, and we have seen so much and everything that is going to be that it would be inconvenient and normal to happen.

In your previous comments, you constantly wrote that the betting company that gives the player the opportunity to win a respectable amount during the year through promotions is doing a favor. I will tell you that it does no good. Thanks yes he would if he continued to let the player play with a decent maxbet, if he continued to give offers. The decent maxbet in my case existed 4-5 years ago, the offers lasted only a few months, stopped in 2018. Their right of course but not to say that they do us a favor that they exist. Thanks to the legislation that allows them to manage customers by selecting only the "good" ones. Even I do thanks to them, that I have not dealt with them again for so many years with regular bets, and I have not made a next account since copies of odds they make on pregame, the sleep they sometimes have and with their good maxbets you steal churches if you hit them on some mistakes they make.

It may also take a few years before I lost to 3. I add that if someone wins steadily, they usually play on the basis of a specific strategy that gives him a certain amount of advantage over the long term. This requires many hours of reading, and searching. Also, playing for bids requires many hours. The money you earn in a bidding company can be even less than what you would gain by playing another based on your strategy. Whether in the essence of what you are playing from a liens account on bids, you are devoting part of the time you dedicate for your regular bets, where there is no issue of joy. The same or more would be won by playing other standard bets without bidding.
 
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I would like to ask a question to friend blizard.

Say I'm getting around 10hill from betting net that's in Greece let's say stahiman he does not give you a certificate of profits for such a large amount. You want to buy a car and buy it. Your income does not justify the car because it is inferior to what you make, known relatives can not justify it, how do you justify these 10 chips since the company does not give you a certificate of profits?

Be careful I do not want an answer of the style "There are laws that you do, there is still a window, there are solutions etc" generalizations etc I ask something specific I want a specific answer so law or article that this here covers you. You know something?
I hope you do not get an answer of the style "you buy a Mazda RX8" with a vanke motor, so 9 taxable as much as 1300 amps
 

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Sorry, I was slow to answer because it was complicated and I was thinking about it :)

Ways to make statements there are many and always there were the boxes in the statement, sorry I do not have the junk margins there are only for money laundering, but that comes from a bank and big companies is not black anyway.

The concept of proof and invoice is when you have money for a service, which is also printed next to the product ... and in the end they make the sum of the receipts and tell them how much they have received and what products you have taken.
For a FREE product they can not take proof of receipt ... they gave you that money and as you said you never raised them, so you basically did NOT pay NOTICE and how to quit you?


For example, Ion gives 1000 sophomore to a foundation for children free of charge, CAN NOT chop proof ... that the institution had bought some months ago 100 sophomore and had paid them in a separate proof and totally irrelevant and can not unite them .

We can not blame them for having done anything without paying ... the statement to the institution's entourage does not concern them, and the probability of tax evasion that you do not understand about the gift and the loot of a company, but in any case there are inexperienced accountants for these things ... we can only say that it's the eye, PP of PPC, and not looking for a stake in the barn
 
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